Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alderbrook Secondary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 14:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Alderbrook Secondary School

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Delete. There is no sources to back this article up. It is a one sentence stub that basically says this school exists, no notability claimed or proved Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added a reference. All secondary schools are notable. - Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No, all secondary schools are NOT notable (and there is no guideline or policy that supports your OPINION). They all have to pass the general notability guidelines. For future reference (for anybody reading this), just saying "all secondary schools are notable" is the same as stuff like "I like it" (in other words, it's a junk argument and is saying that you have nothing to back up your claim of notability).  TJ   Spyke   00:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep While I disagree that all secondary schools are inherently notable, I agree that all referenceable schools are notable, which this one is. RadioFan (talk) 14:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Its only notability (and mention in third party RS) is that a Minister once visted the school to promote something.Slatersteven (talk) 14:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep if only as a stub until someone decides to add some encyclopedic content. . .Wayne Riddock (talk) 15:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Which seems to imply it has none at the moment?Slatersteven (talk) 16:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep -- The consensus seems to be that all Secondary Schools are notable. It is a poor stub, but that is no reason for deletion.  Hopefully some one will expand it one day.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I would just like to point out that there is no guideline or policies that secondary schools are automatically notable, they have to pass the same notability requirements as any other article or they get deleted.  TJ   Spyke   00:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, although there is no consensus on the notability of schools, experience suggests that secondary schools (i.e. ages 11 - 16) are rarely, if ever, deleted as non-notable. Sourcing is a different issue. Rodhull  andemu  23:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep -- there certainly is a consensus, as shown by what Rodhullandemu says--as none have been deleted in 2.5 years, there is a consensus not to delete. Consensus is made by what we consistently do in practice.  Guidelines are very difficult to change, and tend to lag considerably behind--and when they do try to forge new paths, editors tend to ignore it. The very concept of consensus is a practical working agreement. The reason, of course, why it has consensus is that experience has shown that essentially all high schools can be referenced if the effort it taken, and therefore it makes no sense holding elaborate debates just to remove the 5 or 10% which cannot. (As for the GNG, the one thing about the GNG guideline that does have full consensus is that it is subject to exceptions and special cases. Nothing in Wikipedia has to pass any guideline. We decide how and when to use them right here.
 * (btw, I would not say the age range for secondary schools is 11-16; in the US at least, 11 to 12 year olds are usually in primary school, and 12-15 in junior high school--we do not usually consider junior high schools notable unless there is really good evidence. High school students are usually 15-18.  A better definition than age, is that it's the stage before university, and the final stage for those not going on to university.    DGG ( talk ) 05:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - I know that there's an essay around here somewhere explaining why it's easier to assume that any secondary school can be proven notable, but I haven't laid my mouse on it yet. The crux of it was that recent history has shown that every secondary school is going to have at least one notable alumnus, significant local coverage, or in some way can be demonstrated as notable with a little bit of work, and that finding those sources is going to take less effort than a deletion debate (a debate which, as DGG notes, usually ends in "keep").  This isn't to say that it's accurate to say, "all secondary schools are notable," but the track record of those nominated in recent history confirms that they're mostly all notable.  In these cases it's almost easier to prove the school is not notable.  (I remember banging my head against the desk over this one until User:Jerry explained it to me; come to think of it I'm pretty sure he wrote the essay I remember.  I'll ask him about it.)--otherlleft 14:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The essay is Notability (high schools). Cunard (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Consensus is that all high schools are worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia. Cunard (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is a Leading Edge school; a clear claim to notability and there are plenty of sources from which the page can be expanded. TerriersFan (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.