Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aldiscon


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The result was   withdrawn by nom. Fabrictramp |  talk to me  21:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Aldiscon

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Delete - Article fails to assert notability. Article makes very unspecific claims to notability without references. Company was taken over in 1997. Notability isn't conferred or inherited, but this article appears to be about a small company that was bought by a big company, with no indication as to why the small company is notable. Recently tagged as CS7 speedy delete, as an editor claimed that the unreferenced claim "Aldiscon is historically significant to the mobile sector", is sufficient to establish notability. Bardcom (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC) Withdraw - Notability established as this company invented SMPP, the short message peer-to-peer protocol used for all text messaging. This AfD may be closed. --Bardcom (talk) 20:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I did not say that it was sufficient to establish notability. I said it was an assertion of notability which gets it through WP:CSD. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. This book says it was a "major indigenous firm", here are some more book sources and I've added another news reference to the article to go with the two that were already there. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd advise people to check out the references included. To my mind, they do nothing to assert notability, and it's a lot of noise to divert from the core issue. @Phil, we can easily cut to the chase on this - can you summarize here what is notable about this company? --Bardcom (talk) 15:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. What makes this company notable is that plenty of reliable sources have chosen to write about it. That's pretty much the definition of notability. I'd also point out that one of those sources (the one I added to the article) says that this was the first company to develop an SMSC, something that hundreds of millions of people now use every day. I would also advise people to check out the references, as I don't see how anyone could do that and not see how this was a notable company. And please, Bardcom, stop using the word "assert" when you clearly don't know what it means. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - @Phil, you previously asked for a definition and I've provided you one from dictionary.com. Snippy comments such as the one above do not help a civilised conversation. Also, checking the articles Text messaging and SMSC don't back up the claims that say Aldiscon invented the SMSC. Although what I have now found is that Aldiscon invented SMPP, and this I believe makes the company notable. So thank you for helping dig out that notability of this company. --Bardcom (talk) 20:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - concur with Phil that a review of the book results shows notability -- Whpq (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


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