Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alessandro Venezia (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:35, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Alessandro Venezia
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WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, 2021082210006274. Barely notable (at best) footballer of no particular importance. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:03, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the ticket is about, I don't seem to be able to access it. The article easily passes WP:NFOOTY, Venezia has made 41 appearances in the fully professional Serie C. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:23, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I reckon the ticket is only available only to admins? If is indeed about a complaint from the subject as Jéské Couriano indicates, I wouldn't be surprised. There has been an editor I suspect of being the subject or a representative who has gone to great lengths in trying to shape the article: and their sockpuppets. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:33, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, and am going off of what a helpee from #wikipedia-en-help has asked after; said helpee claims to be the subject, naturally, and demanded we delete the page because we refused to accept the primary sources they were offering for the purposes of updating the article. They've also stated the article is incorrect, but when pressed just throw sources at us instead of actually explaining what's amiss. Since they were told to contact the VRT in -en-help the last time they came around, I'd imagine the ticket is genuine, but the end goal is, as far as I can tell, basically them dictating the content. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 03:25, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep . I suspect the complaining from the subject is because they want to dictate the content. They can either provide third-party reliable sources for their claims or disengage. Article passes WP:NFOOTY as the player has played in a fully-pro league, so the notability concerns are at best misguided. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Changing to Delete based off of the research and investigation of the users below. This also explains why the subject has been so damned insistent on trying to cite Tuttocalciatori. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 14:49, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete assuming the OTRS ticket is valid (and I trust the nom that it is), I guess WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE applies here. Although he probably does pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's more to this than initially meets the eye.
 * The Tuttocalciatori source says he made numerous Serie C1/C2 appearances for Gela Calcio, but that club's website, readily accessible via archive.org for the relevant time period, doesn't list him in their squad: this link is for February 2007, but plenty of other dates exist;
 * It also helpfully lists all goalscorers in their division: this link is for 2007/08, and doesn't include his name; according to Tuttocalciatori, he scored 3;
 * Tuttocalciatori list 26 appearances in 2011/12 C2 for Valenzana: Soccerway gives him 2 squad inclusions as an unused substitute;
 * Tuttocalciatori also give him several seasons as a regular with Miami FC: Soccerway doesn't list him in that team's squad: select seasons via dropdown.
 * This was raised at the previous AfD, but not convincingly enough. It's a pity, because in my naivety I thought Tuttocalciatori was moderately reliable, but in this case it looks like they've been scammed. We don't have to be. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – The claim in the article is that Venezia played for Miami United FC, a semi-professional club in the National Premier Soccer League; *not* Miami FC, who are a professional club playing at the time in the North American Soccer League. While this doesn't change the notability claims, it also shouldn't impact the potential for this to be a scam article. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 14:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My comment re Miami FC is relevant to the (un)reliability of the Tuttocalciatori source on which the subject's claim to a WP:NFOOTY pass solely rests. That source lists both Miami United (one season) and Miami FC (five seasons). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Struway2 (talk) 13:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - I can't find a second source to validate that Venezia played for Gela (just the unreliable tuttocalciatori.it). Thus, it appears the article fails WP:NFOOTBALL, and I can't find any SIGCOV to demonstrate it might satisfy WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 13:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - per excellent research by Struway above - and in the absence of any professional appearances and significant coverage, he is not notable. GiantSnowman 14:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:36, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment - The same person who claimed to be the subject yesterday came back to -en-help and demanded we delete the article immediately. When I brought up the analysis above, they insisted that Tuttocalciatori "provide[s ]real statistics or almost real" (emphasis added). If this page is deleted, it needs to be ECP salted so that any future attempts go through the drafting process, considering the apparent socking that's happened here and the subject's pushing of this obviously useless source. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 17:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - no significant coverage for the player. Also support ECP salting per above due to persistent sockpuppetry Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


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