Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex De Pase


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 01:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Alex De Pase

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General lack of reliable sources to confirm subject's notability. His name pops up on his own website and social media. However, the only thing I think gives him a bit of notability is his link to the "World Wide Tattoo Conference" (which, according to his article, he organized and/or invented), so even the notability of this Conference somewhat questionable. In any case, the article also seems to be written in a very, very promotional tone. Canuck 89 (talk to me) 11:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

This version is complete and different from the first one. Of course Alex de Pase is a very popoular tattoo artists and the conference is of course a big event in the tattoo world. Most of the tattoo artist on wikipedia are listed because of the Tv Shows like miami ink or la ink but an artist can be listed even if he doesn't apperar on that kind of media. De Pase is listed in almost all tattoo website, not only fb, social, or auto-promotion. He won a lot of prizes, he has a lot of reviews and he is listed in the 25 best artist of the world. His art is really unique and not questionable. In my opinion this article can't be deleted! Wait for other opinions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.49.16.208 (talk) 13:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC) — 151.49.16.208 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep The article is written without promotional tones now, after some changes.
 * Keep. Alex De Pase is undoubtedly one of the tattoo masters well-known around the world in the community-I don't agree with the promotional article 'cause other tattoo artist's articles are very similar-It's important hear some tattoo enthusiast's opinion Expertattoos (talk) 13:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC) — Expertattoos (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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 * Delete. The references look like bombardment - on inspection, I don't see how they amount to significant coverage in reliable independent sources, so WP's notability standards have not been met. Dawn Bard (talk) 02:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * I've gone through and culled a lot of unusable links from the article. For the newbies coming on, reliable sources cannot be anything released by De Pase himself, so links to his website is out. Also, links that merely point to notification of events (such as schedules) and basic webpages of schools or events are unusable, as are links to product pages. I'll say this up front: merely having your artwork published in book format does not automatically give you notability. If you can prove that the book or magazine focuses heavily on De Pase (as opposed to merely showing an image of his work), then that can help show some notability.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm seeing a lot of mentions of him, but nothing that is actually in-depth coverage of his work. I know that while tattoo art has become more mainstream lately, it still doesn't get a lot of attention news-wise unless you happen to be one of the bigger faces on one of the TV shows (Kat Von D) or put out a line that goes mainstream (Ed Hardy). However, this does not exempt the artist from having to pass WP:GNG, WP:ARTIST, or any of the basics of WP:BIO. Just because someone is well known within a niche does not mean that this translates into Wikipedia notability. Unfortunately there's not a lot of tattoo magazines and the like that are considered to be notable per Wikipedia's guidelines and most often than not, when someone does get into a magazine, it's usually that their artwork is shown on a page without there being any actual article about the artist. The artwork is featured, but is not the focal point of the magazine, which I'm 99.9% certain is the case here. Now the thing about WP:ARTIST is that artwork can get an artist recognized, but there has to be evidence to show that the artwork has "won significant critical attention" (usually translates into big fancy pants awards), which I'm not really seeing here. I see a lot of name dropping, but not anything to show that he's created any technique that has become a big significant thing, that his artwork is widely recognized, or that he's really all that widely cited. Most of his coverage is rather limited and while again, I know that the tattoo world is still a niche, that doesn't mean that there aren't avenues for in-depth coverage. That coverage just doesn't exist and De Pase just doesn't fit within the very strict notability guidelines that is required for a person to have an article devoted to them here on Wikipedia. Managing festivals is great, but that doesn't give notability. I looked into the awards and recognition that he's supposed to have won, but I don't see where they're considered to be major awards or recognitions that Wikipedia considers to be major enough to warrant an article. When it comes to this sort of thing, 99.9% of any awards or recognition will not be big or notable enough to give notability in and of itself. I know that not everyone can win an Oscar or a Nobel prize, but winning recognition from Rebel Ink isn't something that would give absolute and total notability to where it'd keep the article by itself. It would be usable as a source to show notability, but unfortunately the link given was for a facebook link. We can't use facebook as a RS. If someone can post another source and show that this coverage is actually in-depth and not just a list of people with featured artwork, then it'd show notability. As far as The Chaudesaigues Award goes, that in itself does not appear to be a notable award, so being on the panel judging does not show notability. Even if it was an award that is considered notable per Wikipedia, being a judge does not give someone notability. (Being a judge for the Oscars does not give notability either.)
 * TL;DNRIn the end even with the potential of the Rebel Ink source, there's not enough reliable sources to show notability. None of the links on the article show notability and linking to various award or convention pages does not show notability in the slightest. To be honest, the entire article is so promotional in tone that it could probably be speedied under one thing or another.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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