Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Lambert (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Snow Keep/Withdrawn by nominator.. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Alex Lambert
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Person was on American Idol, so notablity is fleeting on this one. Almost all of the references on the article go to blogs of some sort, so none of it is verifiable.  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 07:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Even though we have a slew of SPAs (single-purpose accounts) doing work here, I am satisfied with the work that has been done and the page is now to the bare limits of notability and verifiability. I suggest all people with SPAs to not use them for that purpose again.  I withdraw my nomination for deletion and ask this be closed by an admin or non-SPA user as "keep". -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep:Person was on American Idol and is NOW on a completely different show which is notable as well as being an artist under the 19 Entertainment label with a future album and career, he IS notable. But, I suppose you should go around and delete every other American Idol contestant because they're not on the show anymore. If you want different sources we can give them to you even though the sources are not all "blogs", but forgive us if Harvard scholars don't report American Idol news. And you're nominating an article for deletion which was highly edited (blanked in areas) minutes before your nomination. So I'm wondering here why the solution isn't editing to fix instead of deleting major portions then nominating for deletion. The person who made all the major edits is also apparently well known for doing these major edits and then putting warnings all over the page for things he has done himself. So if you're nominating the page for deletion after his edits which makes the article incomplete and poorly worded then I object. Also, calling me a sock/meat puppet just because this is my 1st article doesn't mean my opinion doesn't matter. But, thanks for tagging me as such. Forgive me if I haven't gotten around to editing other articles. Gollymolly1010 (talk) 08:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC) — Gollymolly1010 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * You weren't tagged as a sock/meatpuppet; you were marked as a single-purpose account. The other marked SPAs who have contributed to this discussion are the suspected sock/meatpuppets. If you make a strong, policy-based argument, it's irrelevant whether your account has been marked as being a SPA or not (though obvious sock/meatpuppets will still be disregarded). So far you haven't provided any convincing argument either, however; "he was on american idol" doesn't itself meet our general notability guideline, "you should go around and delete every other American Idol contestant..." is not a valid argument because we don't keep/delete articles because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and the fact that the main contributor is an editor in good standing is irrelevant. Take a look at some of the policies regarding notability and decide for yourself whether the article meets our policies, and then base your argument on our policy. If you simply argue to keep something because WP:ILIKEIT, your argument will be diregarded because wikipedia is not a ballot.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  08:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well they are not MY "sock/meat puppets" I have no idea who any of these people are, so sorry if you feel that way. Like I said this is my FIRST article, so that should not limit my opinion or be put against me. Anyways, according to the general notability guideline he HAS significant coverage, by reliable sources, that are independent of the subject. The person who reported the article for deletion did so minutes after the original article was highly edited by someone else. I've fixed said persons major edits, added more reputable sources, and even included all suggestions for sources posted below me. So, despite yours and my sarcastically witty conversation, the person is still notable. If you read the article, you'll notice he WAS on American Idol, is NOW on a completely different show, WROTE AND PERFORMS THEME SONG for said show, IS CURRENTLY a 19 entertainment recording artist.Gollymolly1010 (talk) 09:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not expressing any opinion one way or another on this AfD as I haven't done any research into the article at this point, I'm simply pointing out that if you can make a policy-based argument, that's what your argument should be based on. I'd also recommend reading the concerns of the delete !vote(s) and directly addressing those concerns. Obviously I can't speak for you, but on my part at least, my advice was not sarcastic.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  09:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry you responded to me before I edited my comment to provide examples of policy and explanation on how I fixed the "delete" person's worries. Like I said the person reported the article AFTER someone majorly edited it in the middle of my editing.Gollymolly1010 (talk) 09:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Notability fleeting? No more so than any of the other ex-American Idols. In fact, less so than of other Idols, as person is currently on a new legitimate show (which has an approved Wikipedia entry), and has received a great deal of attention from numerous press sites. It should be possible to find valid references where missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.82.61 (talk) 08:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)  — 62.1.82.61 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep seems to be a bit of a BLP2E, but notable enough. A Google News archives search for "Alex Lambert" +Idol shows that reliable sources do exist, such as this one. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Suggest also searching news archives for "Alex Lambert" +"If I Can Dream" for more current reliable sources regarding notability, such as this and this. Also would like to point out that references for other ex-American Idols also often mostly consist of blogs or entertainment "news" sites, thus do not see why they would not be allowed or adequate in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.165.0 (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)  — 88.218.165.0 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep The following is a list of some of Alex Lambert’s credits in 2010. Every item on this list is notable and can be easily verified by an independent source. Contestant on American Idol – top 16, Cast of If I Can Dream, guest on the Ellen Degeneres Show, Celebrity contestant on Don’t Forget The Lyrics, Musical performer at the Sunset Strip Music Festival, Celebrity presenter at the Young Hollywood Awards, Professional music video I Didn’t Know  (produced by Clear Channel Radio and featured on their IHEARTRADIO music platform), Songwriting and performance credits for Dream With My Eyes Open (theme song on If I Can Dream) Although Mr. Lambert started out on American Idol, it is obvious that he is not just a former American Idol contestant.--AlexL fan (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC) — AlexL fan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Redirect to the season of American Idol which he appeared in. seems non-notable outside of Primary sourcesThe Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:37, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Starblind. Look, I think the fact that American culture drools over such vapid entertainers is stupid, too, but the sources exist to meet the GNG, and there's no NOT reason to not give him a separate article.  Yes, there are a large number of poor sources included, but there are definitely REAL sources which can be used. Jclemens (talk) 00:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, regrettably, per Jclemens and Starblind... Drmies (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Although the provided references are all junk. Hulu and blogs are not reliable sources. The article needs a lot of work and it needs reliable sources. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 16:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep AlexL fan makes a good case.   D r e a m Focus  19:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * keep like above Aisha9152 (talk) 16:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * keep If I'm not mistaken, this article has now been correctly and adequately referenced, thus the bare URL and additional citations warnings can be removed. I also believe that this establishes notability. Kaneek (contribs) 02:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.