Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Lasry (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There's essentially only one argument refuting the sources presented as satisfying the GNG; notability is not inherited. However, that argument was counter-refuted by discussion concerning the misapplication of WP:NOTINHERITED and presentation of further sources establishing notability separate from the subject's parent. (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn (talk) 06:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Alex Lasry
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Fails WP:NPOL, notability not inherited from father, unelected as an official. Page contains large amount of suspect COI/UPE, created by likely SPA. Coverage largely local and largely passing mentions, fails WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Politics,  and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. —Bagumba (talk) 09:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NOTINHERITED plus WP:NOTYET. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ari T. Benchaim (talk • contribs) 13:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete currently his notability is too connected with his father to justify a seperate article. If he is elected to the US senate that will change, but not beforehand.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * According to INHERIT Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they passGNG. And the many quotes in the page Alex Lasry already reach that standard. Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 21:57, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I am confused by the claim that the subject lacks significant, independent coverage. See and several other articles on the article.--User:Namiba 15:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is also WP:SIGCOV in USA Today. It is about Alex, not his father. There are several additional references in the article that are about him, not his dad. He meets WP:GNG all on his own; WP:NOTINHERITED doesn't say that a father and son cannot both be notable, we'd have to delete a whole lot of articles if it did! Jacona (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:GNG when I look at the sources. Significant coverage from multiple reliable, independent sources...and sustained).  For convenience, here's a subset already in the article:
 * —Bagumba (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "Owner's son"; "Owner's son"; "Owner's son"; "Dad is Marc Lasry"; "Alex Lasry's ritzy roots include elite schools, Michael Jackson home, $50 million-plus trust"; Notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This comment misconstrues NOTINHERITED. The mere fact that he is the son of a notable person does not make him notable, unless he has coverage that meets GNG.  But if he has coverage that meets GNG - even if that coverage results from his relationships - that does not violate NOTINHERITED. Rlendog (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're the son of someone famous/wealthy and the headlines about you are all 'Son of someone famous/wealthy does nothing in particular', then NOTINHERITED would appear to apply. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * (1)That is not what NOTINHERITED says. If independent reliable sources see fit to write that "Son of someone famous/wealthy does nothing in particular" then that contributes to their notability according to our guidelines. After all, not everyone related to someone famous gets stories written about them doing nothing in particular. (2)Even if NOTINHERITED did say that, not all these sources are "Son of someone famous/wealthy does nothing in particular". Rlendog (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * —Bagumba (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "Owner's son"; "Owner's son"; "Owner's son"; "Dad is Marc Lasry"; "Alex Lasry's ritzy roots include elite schools, Michael Jackson home, $50 million-plus trust"; Notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This comment misconstrues NOTINHERITED. The mere fact that he is the son of a notable person does not make him notable, unless he has coverage that meets GNG.  But if he has coverage that meets GNG - even if that coverage results from his relationships - that does not violate NOTINHERITED. Rlendog (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're the son of someone famous/wealthy and the headlines about you are all 'Son of someone famous/wealthy does nothing in particular', then NOTINHERITED would appear to apply. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * (1)That is not what NOTINHERITED says. If independent reliable sources see fit to write that "Son of someone famous/wealthy does nothing in particular" then that contributes to their notability according to our guidelines. After all, not everyone related to someone famous gets stories written about them doing nothing in particular. (2)Even if NOTINHERITED did say that, not all these sources are "Son of someone famous/wealthy does nothing in particular". Rlendog (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per GNG. Rlendog (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect and WP:SALT, and move current article to draft space in case of election – probably doesn't pass threshold for WP:NPOL (wouldn't otherwise have sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG if he wasn't running for Senate), coverage is largely centered around relationship to father and role as staffer/business executive which would otherwise not be sufficient to deem him notable. Stroopwafels (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ...wouldn't otherwise have sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG if he wasn't running for Senate...: Except he is running for Senate, the coverage is already there, and per the guideline WP:NOTTEMPORARY: —Bagumba (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Getting the job of business executive is one thing, getting famous in this position is another, Not every sports executive can get famous and despite Lasry get this position because of his father his own accomplishment on it is the direct reason he get famous--and it is not done by his father. Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 20:40, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Someone get famous with the help of his father do not mean do not have his own fame. By the same standard you can delete the page of George W.Bush because he may not get elected as TX Governor and later President without help from his father George H.W.Bush. And as what is listed here there are significant coverage of him that is indepedent from his father and also indepedent from the 2022 Wisconsin senate electioon like those:
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/sports/bucks-new-owners-get-house-warming-gift-of-public-money.html
 * https://theathletic.com/2165256/2020/10/28/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-on-his-citys-state-of-mind-and-why-the-deer-unraveled/
 * https://www.milwaukeemag.com/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-chats-about-his-bid-to-bring-the-democratic-national-convention-to-milwaukee/
 * https://jewishinsider.com/2020/08/dnc-to-pick-milwaukee-then-covid-hit/
 * as a result this page clearly meets the GNG standard here.Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2022 (UTC) — is a confirmed sock puppet of.


 * Keep As has been showcased above, the subject has the significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. While having a famous father doesn't automatically make you notable, it neither cancels out whatever significant coverage you have. Alvaldi (talk) 18:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep The sourcing on this page is all up to a high standard and even the local sources are repubtable and serious publications. Lasry is now a major public figure who is spending millions to run as a Democrat for US Senate, he clearly passes many of the criteria for coverage. Also, his Dad's finances seem very pertitent to Alex in particular since he is running for office and his Dad is a major donor to the Democrats. M4aorbust1 (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC) —  is a confirmed sock puppet of.
 * Note to closer both M4aorbust1 and Dadylasry are effectively SPAs, recently created and editing this page almost exclusively. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Name change Note that the user account Dadylasry was since renamed to Fightagainstdarkmoney. They then edited their old signatures to use the new name, but references to the name from other editors still remain. They are also a confirmed sock.—Bagumba (talk) 10:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And they disagree with you. —Bagumba (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Having a clear enough COI, I'd expect 'em to... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you say so you should provide proofs innstead if descrimitating new wiki editors, I think wikiedia can track our IP address to see where me and him are. Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 13:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If your proof is just me and him are both newcomers but focus on this article if we were not focus on this article we would not speak here. And consider New accounts keep being created every day yo can expect several new accounts occur here. That can not prove any SPAs Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 13:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Your new, but know the acronym SPA? I'd like to call your attention to an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Yourself extends to clients. Please don't put articles for non-qualified subjects.--Mpen320 (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not Lasry himself and my name is just commemorate the first wiki page I want to create, I think wikipedia can track my ip address and by doing that you will find I do not live in Milwaukee or even Wisconsin now. Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly not the same user as Dadylasry, as stated you can check IPs if needed. For full transparency, I have never edited a wiki page before, but seeing as Lasry is currently flooding the zone with his wealth in our state in an attempt to buy a US Senate seat I wanted to take time to list his scandals and corruption on here. M4aorbust1 (talk) 18:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also within that, I will be editing further and other accounts related to this senate race and Wisconsin politics in general. So you can define that as my single purpose but I think what I'm posting is very well-sourced (I have a journalism background, so I know high standards) & relevant information. M4aorbust1 (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. The GNG is not GNG for him, but rather demonstrates the notability of the 2022 United States Senate election in Wisconsin.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this about 2022 US senate election in WIsconsin? https://www.milwaukeemag.com/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-chats-about-his-bid-to-bring-the-democratic-national-convention-to-milwaukee/
 * or this https://theathletic.com/2165256/2020/10/28/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-on-his-citys-state-of-mind-and-why-the-deer-unraveled/
 * or this https://jewishinsider.com/2020/08/dnc-to-pick-milwaukee-then-covid-hit/
 * all of them are even before him announcing his senate run. Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * He's incidental to the subject in all but the Athletic's profile of him.--Mpen320 (talk) 23:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "He convinced convention" is definately not incidental, it changed the place of 2020 DNC. Dadylasry (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Besides, if just working for a nba team can make sure he is involved in 2020 Democratic National Convention without his effort like what "incidential' means, why don't Houston and Miami, who are also on the final list of DNC address and have NBA arena that are up for holding it, do not get the convention? Fightagainstdarkmoney (talk) 23:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I would like some discussion without sockpuppets involved. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  23:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep because it obviously meets the standard of WP:GNG and WP:POLITICANS, even if you exclude all the links about his senate campaign or connected to his father then there are still many media coverages about him like this :
 * https://theathletic.com/2165256/2020/10/28/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-on-his-citys-state-of-mind-and-why-the-deer-unraveled/
 * https://www.milwaukeemag.com/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-chats-about-his-bid-to-bring-the-democratic-national-convention-to-milwaukee/
 * https://jewishinsider.com/2020/08/dnc-to-pick-milwaukee-then-covid-hit/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antoinettelasry (talk • contribs) 18:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)  —  is a confirmed sock puppet of.
 * Keep because the topic has significant coverage from multiple reliable sources indicating notability. Dubarr18 (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: per WP:NPOL. He's just a candidate at this point and has not won any elections. His business career is not noteworthy on its own. Marquardtika (talk) 19:46, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * SNGs do not supercede GNG per the guideline WP:NBASIC: —Bagumba (talk) 19:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Besides his business career is noteworthy on his own because of holding 2020 DNC:https://theathletic.com/2165256/2020/10/28/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-on-his-citys-state-of-mind-and-why-the-deer-unraveled/
 * https://www.milwaukeemag.com/bucks-vp-alex-lasry-chats-about-his-bid-to-bring-the-democratic-national-convention-to-milwaukee/
 * https://jewishinsider.com/2020/08/dnc-to-pick-milwaukee-then-covid-hit/ Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 03:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Plus he is the owner of a major NBA team Antoinettelasry (talk) 04:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Not full owner but definately has enough influence on it to get him mentioned in media when the team is alledged in union busting. Fightagainstdarkmoney (talk) 00:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: what is with the new editors with user names that include "Lasry"? We have Dadylasry and now Antoinettelasry. This is weird...Marquardtika (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * They're the same user, they run an account on Twitter under the alias "Daddy Alex Lasry" which now seems to be "Daddy Alex 'Antoinette' Lasry" which is dedicated to flooding replies of any post mentioning Lasry or the WI-Sen election with negative info about him (which is also why the article content here is obviously tilted against Lasry and why they recreated it – because they really want him to lose). Stroopwafels (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you know how to get an IP-search run to demonstrate that these two are the same user? I know this was done before during Articles_for_deletion/David_Williams_III--Mpen320 (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:SPI, though not sure if the behavior here is actually genuinely disruptive given only one !vote from the user here. Stroopwafels (talk) 18:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not the first time of you defaming me and accusing me of being the same people who I am not. Yes, that wiki account motivated me to let people know the truth about Lasry but after all I am not him no matter how I respect him. Besides, the main reason the information about Lasry is so negative is that what he has done is that negative. And if he lose because of this he deserve to lose. Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 18:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you really want to free Lasry from those negative contents, you should either prove they are not true or to add positive things about Lasry, but you do neither. Instead you accuse someone else of being the same user without proof and want to delete the well sourced BLP about lasry which obviously meets the standard of notable in BASIC even though it says "People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below." Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 18:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Dadylasry and I are different people. You can check our addresses. Antoinettelasry (talk) 18:45, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You can run IP on me as well if you'd like, as a new editor of this page. It will be from Wisconsin and I'm not the same user as any of the accounts with Lasry in their name. I agree that many of the edits here need to editorialize less and be more neutral, but having helped make edits, I'm very firm in stating that what's presently on this page is overwhelmingly well-sourced. Regardless of how I feel about Alex Lasry as a person (I think he's a sliver spoon kid flooding our state with propaganda through his trust fund cash) and whether or not I want him to lose (I do!), this page should remain with all the well-sourced information it has. But the other editors do need to do their best to not editorialize and remain neutral in what they write for the page itself. M4aorbust1 (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * We may both have interest in lasry's wiki page for sure, that is likely the reason why he also has lasry in his user name as me. However, I can garuentee that we are different accouts owned by different people. Which can be easily verified by IP research as mentioned above. I'm sure Tracking my IP address will comfirm we are from different cities! Fightagainstdarkmoney‬ (talk) 18:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment. Do I have to re-vote to delete the article or will my delete vote from above be counted?--Mpen320 (talk) 23:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It will be counted (for a specific value of "counted" per WP:!VOTE). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:35, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Stub and protect until after election. WP:TNT article that has become a WP:COATRACK for positive and negative content only relevant to campaign, which no one will care about in 10 years.Suspect several UPE/COI from both sides of campaign involved. Slywriter (talk) 01:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as WP:SIGCOV exists of Alex Lasry (see links brought up by User:Bagumba) showing notability outside of his being the son of Marc Lasry.  Frank  Anchor  15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep as it fits the standard of WP:GNG based on the link provided by User:Bagumba and User:Fightagainstdarkmoney which showes his notability outside of him being son of Marc Lasry and out of 2022 United States Senate election in Wisconsin Madisonsocdem (talk) 01:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC) —  is a confirmed sock puppet of.
 * Note I have semi-protected this discussion because of the persistent sockpuppetry by Geeky1127/Fightagainstdarkmoney. Girth Summit  (blether)  12:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. While normally political candidates aren't notable, this particular candidate has received significant independent coverage as evidenced by the many sources linked above. Further these sources are not just local, but national, and span over more than a year of coverage. This shows that the subject passes WP:SUSTAINED and WP:BASIC.4meter4 (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


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