Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Young (singer) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Sources were either not reliable, or if reliable did not contain "significant" coverage. Much of the material in sources was repeated from press releases, which does not qualify as independent.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  14:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Alex Young (singer)
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Recreation of an article deleted at AfD in July. This version has lots more references than the previous article but the subject still fails WP:MUSICBIO and GNG. This singer still lacks significant coverage by reliable sources. • Gene93k (talk) 23:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they have also not demonstrated GNG:



-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment; at least part of it is a copyvio of this. No comment from me about notability/deletion/whatever just yet though, I'll look more later. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Alex Young has qualified as per Wiki notability guidelines for musicians as stated per Wikipedia Criteria for musicians and ensemble
 * Keep:I find that this article does meet the requirements to have a Wikipedia Page based on notability. She meets more than one of the required criteria for inclusion. I noticed the page is no longer nominated for speedy deletion which I think was a just change in status. However this nomination for deletion should be reconsidered based on the points I will illustrate below:

Criteria for musicians and ensembles A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria - Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

Reference number 1 on Alex Young from a notable online version of print media Hello Beautiful. Here is a link to the article From “Sesame Street” To Cee Lo’s Opening Act, Meet Songstress Alex Young

Reference number 5 the artist was selected to be recognized as retail giant Walmart's Soundcheck Risers "Next Big Thing" Walmart’s original performance series where they showcase live performances and exclusive behind-the-scenes footage from original in-studio sets all filmed exclusively and broadcast in Walmart stores nationwide. Here is a link to the published video on Walmart's site "Walmart Soundcheck Risers Alex Young".

Reference number 13 the artist was interviewed by American Teen Magazine Seventeen/CosmoGirl the link to the article in this specific reference can be found here "Meet Alex Young". Interesting enough I was also able to find another interview by the popular teen magazine Singer Alex Young talks Fashion, Beauty, and Diamonds! This second web reference should probably be included in the article as well.

Reference number 14 the artist was the featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment One-on-One which broadcasts across national TV network PBS, she was interviewed by Emmy Award-winning television news anchor, and Star-Ledger columnist Steve Adubato. One-on-One with Steve Adubato, is a program that gives insight into today's world through interviews with actors, authors, journalists, CEOs, artists and educational innovators who each share their experiences and accomplishments as stated by WQXR-FM. PBS is the most prominent provider of television programs to public television stations in the United States, distributing series such as Sesame Street which Alex Young was cast in for 2 seasons.

Reference number 23 the artist has become one of the most prominent representatives of style on the New York City scene she filmed a scheduled interview with model and entertainment reporter Louise Roe who was reporting for one of Amazons largest fashion retailers ShopBop while attending Fashions Night Out. Alex Young is considered a socialite and was mentioned in a press release as being in expected in attendance prior to the interview.

A quick search on sites such as Livingly Media's Zimbio.com/StyleBistro.com which covers celebrity and entertainment news or Getty Images and AP in the fashion and celebrity section for print and online publication photos reveals photos of Alex Young on multiple red carpet events such as some of the links I will add for you below. I do think that the article needs a lot of work which I am sure the Wikipedia community will help with, but I do not think that this persons Wikipedia page qualifies for deletion. After all that is why Wikipedia exists as a community to help collaborate on different articles such as this one. Here are the Zimbio red carpet captures of Miss Young:

Alex Young attending the Jenni "JWoww" Farley Inked Magazine Cover Celebration at Kiss & Fly in New York

Alex Young arrives at the 6th Annual Primary Wave Music Pre-Grammy Party at SLS Hotel on February 11, 2012 in Beverly Hills, California.

Singer Alex Young attends the 2011 Rising Icons awards at The Bunker Club on November 15, 2011 in New York City.

Recording artist Alex Young attends the 2011 Hands for Haiti at 15 Watt Street on October 19, 2011 in New York City.

Singers Alex Young and Freddie Jackson attend the 2011 Living Legends Foundation Honors at the Highline Ballroom on February 24, 2011 in New York City.

Alex Young walks the red carpet during the Guess by Marciano and ELLE event benefiting the Susan G. Komen Foundation at the Guess Boutique on February 4, 2010 in New York City.

Recording artist Alex Young attends the VH1 Divas After-Party at One Hanson Place on September 17, 2009 in New York, New York.

Alex Young attends the 2009 VH1 Divas cocktail party on September 16, 2009 in New York City.

Alex Young has also had multiple videos in rotation on both a national and international platform through Viacoms media giants MTV & VH-1. I will do the work and add some of those links here so you can see that this artist truly is notable, this is verifiable and all of the sources are certainly reliable, not self published and independent of the artist and her label.

MTV Alex Young Government Name Music Video

MTV Asia Alex Young Government Name Music Video

MTV Africa Alex Young Government Name Music Video

LogoTV The Click List: Top 10 Videos, 03.24.11

MTV Latino Alex Young Government Name Music Video

MTV United Kingdom Alex Young Government Name Music Video

MTV Canada Alex Young Government Name Music Video

One more thing I would like to add, there are many other article on this artist, way too many to list here but by doing a good faith search on the internet it is not hard to verify this is a person of notability who certainly meets more than one of Wikipedia criteria for inclusion. I should also mention that social media giant Facebook has even recognized her as a person of notability by giving her a verified facebook page which can be seen www.facebook.com/AlexYoungMusic. Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mc2Mari (talk • contribs) 17:45, 16 November 2014‎ (UTC)

Hello Gene I would like to make a request of you to please reconsider and revoke your Afd nomination of Alex Young. I have added valid sources to help nullify the your original cause for nomination. Please take a moment to review the changes on the page. Thank you. Mc2Mari (talk) 00:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * we need significant coverage in reliably published sources that are independent of the subject of the potential article. The few vaguely reliable sources dont seem to have significant coverage. anything "significant" seems to be from non reliable sources or sources that are not independent of the subject. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

*Keep: I don't understand how you consider sources such as Hello Beautiful, MTV, VH-1, Soul Train, ASCAP, Seventeen, PBS, HipHopDX, Billboard, MTVU, LogoTV, Examiner.com, Walmart and multiple other sources that were cited to directly verify information in the biography as non reliable. Based on Wikipedias guidelines these are all reliable, not self published and independent of the artist and her label. Many of the links if you actually took the time to click through them in the article do qualify as significant coverage and many of the articles are excessively related to this artist and her background as a musician, song-writer, dancer, philanthropist and actress. Further more as outlined in non reliable sources Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves. That is what has been done here. I would appreciate non malicious tagging with doing your due diligence research. Thank you. Mc2Mari (talk) 01:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * you do know what significant means, don't you? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Amazing (Alex Young album) and Crash This Party, recordings by the subject, have been added to this discussion. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not an advertising platform. Stop rewarding bad faithed editing and delete spam. This article too much of a bloated mess of promotion and a bombardment of bad sources that we should just delete this junk. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. This page should not be deleted based on WP:MUSICBIO and GNG and therefore should not be deleted. The article has been edited to meet Wikipedia standards in good faith effort and has had many third party references added for verification from reliable sources. This page meets more than one of the required criteria. I would also like to ask that comments left here be thoughtful, helpful and that comments be made after good faith research to support your reason for Keep or Delete. The reason for inclusion are included below:

This artist has been Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.

Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. Mc2Mari (talk) 15:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * it clearly has NOT been edited to meet Wikipedia standards as you are using commercial promotional sites like Walmart, itunes, amazon as sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:40, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. I did not create the page but I did do goof faith research as you clearly have not done. I am not here to argue as you appear to hae a very hostile nature in all of your comments which are completely non constructive towards any discussion on Wikipedia. There are no longer iTunes links as references, which you clearly have not done a good faith effort of going through the edits. I am not contesting deleting of the album or the single which I also did not create. I have a right to comment on this discussion as a part of the Wikipedia community without being harrased as outlined in List of policies. As a community member I have read many of Wikipedias policies in a good faith effort to understand the proper way in which Wikipedia works and in a a good faith effort to respectfully adhere to community policies. It appears that you have not read the policies regarding Civility and Harassment. Amazon was never used as a reference, the word Amazon.com was however linked to another wikipedia page. If that is against wikipedia policies simply explain that and do an edit to the article or discuss it in a non confrontational manner. Stating that the artist was featured as a Walmart Soundcheck Riser artist is a substantial non trivial piece of her story and Walmart's Soundcheck Risers "Next Big Thing" is Walmart’s original performance series where they showcase live performances and exclusive behind-the-scenes footage from original in-studio sets all filmed exclusively and broadcast in Walmart stores nationwide which is a separate entity of Walmart.com. If this was illustrated incorrectly in the bio simply correct it yourself based on your extensive knowledge or have a meaning conversation about how to improve it.

Above all else... even if what you said in your last comment by consensus was determined to be true about those 3 entities being commercial promotional sites, that still does not discredit the other 59 references listed. The article lists many references as wikipedia requires a page to cite sources for Verifiability "whenever" possible and states they must have been published by a reputable publication which was done. It also says that any unsourced material may be challenged and removed, which you are more than welcome to do as a community member as long is it does not constitute Vandalism which I couldn't help but noticed you have been accused of and involved in many conflicts. I do not wish to have that experience with you regarding this page. I would also like to ask request No personal attacks against me as I do not see how it is in anyway positively contributing to the Wikipedia community. No disrespect has been intended in any of my commentary towards you and to answer you previously inflammatory question directed at me, I am very well versed in English and DO understand what the word "significant" means. I would even entertain having a healthy discussion on the term. Thank you. 68.184.234.56 (talk) 17:35, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I unintentionally commented without being logged in a take responsibility for the above comment. Mc2Mari (talk) 17:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment; Let's keep it civil people (and I'm talking to both TheRedPenOfDoom and Mc2Mari here). Accusations of bad faith and snarky comments ain't needed and don't help the discussion. Also, any admin who decides to closes this when its time's up is perfectly capable of seeing what's what in the discussion and the article; there's simply no need for incessant back-and-forth arguing. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. I wasn't arguing I was responding to TheRedPenOfDoom and requesting that he no longer engages in personal attacks, harassment and adhere to Wikipedia conduct policy. I was also responding to his comment which was untrue. If I broke a rule it wasn't intentional. Thank you for your concern Dylanfromthenorth. Mc2Mari (talk) 18:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete I feel too much of the articles sourcing is from publications and material based either on paid for or "glamourised" promotion, can't seem to find much consistency in third party sources here in a significant nature.  This stuff has to go, good for the gossip shows, but not for an encyclopedia. Whitewater111 (talk) 07:45, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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