Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Avtsin


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The result was   keep. Tone 12:32, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexander Avtsin

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Prod removed by a WP:PNT regular who admitted his lack of knowlegeability. The article states that this player was on the HC Dynamo Moscow roster, but actually, according to the few news sources available, he was on that team's junior roster. He was drafted by the Montreal Canadiens (4th round), but will play instead for the Quebec Remparts. Delete with no prejudice against recration once he graduates with the big team, or becomes a star in his new junior team.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 12:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Neutral. Im am the PNT reg with no knowledgeability! I hope I did the right thing to rescue this article from the almost certain oblivion that being rather dubiously notable in the first place, and unsourced and the sources I could find are at odds with the statements in the article(thanks BlanchardB for asserting that is the case, I did add the one reference I could find but as you suggest it was not clear who he was actually playing for right now). Since it was relatively short it seemed worth translating to allow others, not necessarily francophones, to make a more informed decision.


 * I don't mind it being deleted, but with the reservation that a lot of these kinds of articles do start off as stubs, and it should not be deleted solely on that premiss, in my opinion (i.e. don't take a deletionist standpoint as such, but it may be worth deleting because the information as it stands is at best probably useless, and at worst erroneous  not my doing, errors excepted, since there was no mention e.g. of Quebec Ramparts in the original text). A week for possible improvements before deletion seems more than enough. BlanchardB being from Montreal probably is in much better posession of the facts about the Montreal Canadiens than I am, living as he does in Montreal and presuming he cares more about [ice] hockey than I do! SimonTrew (talk) 19:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just want you to know there was no wrongdoing on your part. :-) --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 21:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't take it that way. Just that for short articles sometimes it's easier, I think, simply to translate them and then decide after whether they are worth keeping. SimonTrew (talk) 22:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - He will split this season between the junior and the senior team and has played his first game in the KHL according to this source: AEJ (talk) 16:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete - there is some coverage about him as a 4th round pick by Montreal, but the coverage isn't very substantial. No prejudice to creating the article when he garners more attention at the junior level or makes it to a top tier league. -- Whpq (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite 10:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep per User:AEJ above, would appear to now meet WP:ATHLETE. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:29, 27 September 2009 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.