Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Oran


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 00:24, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Alexander Oran

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Contested PROD. This player is non-notable because he has never appeared in a fully-professional league (therefore failing WP:NFOOTBALL), and has not received "significant coverage", therefore failing WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 14:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Without significant coverage or appearances in a fully pro league, he fails all notability guidelines relevant to footballers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. According to the article, he plays for the North York Astros of the Canadian Soccer League which the article says is the top soccer league in Canada. Wouldn't that make it "fully professional"? --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. "Fully professional" is usually understood to mean that the league contains only full-time professional athletes i.e. people who earn their living solely through their sport, not people who have day jobs and train/play around that.  A league can be the top league in a given country without being fully professional.  For example, the Welsh Premier League is the top football/soccer league in Wales, but almost all the players are only part-time footballers, holding down day jobs and training in the evenings.  If players in the CSL are in a similar boat, then it is not fully professional..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:FPL confirms that the CSL is not fully-professional. GiantSnowman 13:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no longer a source for this. www.canadiansoccerfederation.ca which is listed as a source for CSL's entry at WP:FPL no longer exists. Also, according to this, the Canadian Soccer Federation seems to be an alternate association set up by people who were upset with the Canadian Soccer Association. The (now non-existent) document it pointed to was entitled "a new way forward" which would seem to be a "mission statement". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * One of the teams, Brampton Lions, says that the team wants to ""bring Professional soccer and Amateur soccer as one" in order to "provide an environment of professionalism" - my interpretation of this is that they are semi-professional. GiantSnowman 14:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure how CSL qualifies as the top league in Canada given that CSA has also sanctioned both MSL and whatever USL/NASL will be called next year. At best they are the 3rd league ... and far from fully professional. Nfitz (talk) 16:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:ATH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiderone (talk • contribs) 20:46, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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