Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexandra Dreyfus


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The result was  keep. Jayjg (talk) 03:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Alexandra Dreyfus

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I am nominating this article for deletion because of the questionable validity of the sources and the questionable notability of the person. This is not a television actress but someone who appeared in ONE YouTube web series. Reference 1 and 9 are the person's own MySpace page. Reference 7 is a video that does not even contain the person in the article. The line, 'She also starred in a psychological-thriller feature called Copy, Credit, Meals Provided which was screened by Lion's Gate, among others. The movie was the first full-length feature that she starred in.' is supposedly backed by reference 4. That is a video interview that contains no mention of a film reviewed by Lionsgate. The line ' Dreyfus is currently working on music for her forthcoming debut record.' is backed by her own MySpace page and was referenced 3 years ago and there has been no evidence of such an album coming to fruition. Bunzo1984 (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC) — Bunzo1984 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: This was one of the primary actors on Lonelygirl15, and later starred in the subsequent series The Resistance. Saying she starred in "ONE YouTube web series" is not technically correct, and Lonelygirl15 was the most covered webseries of all time, making top of the decade lists, etc.  I think the nomination shows that the article needs improvement not deletion.  There are valid sources aside from the refs to the actresses' Myspace.--Milowent (talk) 14:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My main issue is not that it was only one web series. My main issue is the references are mainly MySpace, a video interview that is used to reference information about Lionsgate Studios but contains nothing of the sort, and a video about Dubplate Drama that I watched in its entirety and did not contain the person in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunzo1984 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I know she appeared in season 3 of dubplate drama because I watched it, we simply need a better source for that. I removed the odd myspace ref regarding skinny girls.  As for the Lionsgate movie reference, I notified Zoeydahling of the AfD because she apparently added that information.--Milowent (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think when using the name of a reputable studio such as Lion's Gate you need to take care and reference properly. Surely the little information that is left on this page can be merged into the page on lonelygirl15. This person does not seem to be an active actress. You saying that you watched Dubplate Drama does not verify it. The reference video used does not contain this actress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunzo1984 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * imdb says she was in dubplate drama, which is a british TV show. Arguing that an article can be improved is not a reason for deletion.  Since her roles were not limited only lonelygirl15, it doesn't makes sense to merge into that, see, e.g., Yousef Abu-Taleb --Milowent (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thus far you have used imbd to prove that she was supposedly an extra in a Channel 4 online series but the video of the episode is still devoid of this. You also haven't cleared up the issues of Lion's Gate. Nor the issue regarding a forthcoming record (that was forthcoming 3 years ago). All in all this article has an air of self-promotion about it. It discusses the actress's involvement in one play at a community college. Not even established actors such as Robert DeNiro etc. contain such trivia. I nominated for deletion because I feel the dubious information offers little to wikipedia users. 94.1.122.129 (talk) 17:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC) — 94.1.122.129 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Getting way OT here, but from DeNiro's article, "the direction of his future had already been determined by his stage debut at age ten playing the Cowardly Lion in his school's production of The Wizard of Oz".--Milowent (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Goodness me you missed the point I was making. That sentence From DeNiro's page is anecdotal in the context of him becoming a Hollywood A-lister. It's not stand-alone trivia. You pick up on points so as to shift focus away from the issue at hand here. MySpace references, inaccurate references about Lion's Gate Studios and video references that do not contain the actress. Your emotive behaviour leads me to believe you have a vested personal interest in this issue. Be objective and realise that filling wikipedia with absolute trivia about non-notable people is not constructive. 94.1.122.129 (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: The nominator's information about the sources is incorrect. The video about Lion's Gate clearly states that it's been screened by the company. The video on Dubplate Drama is 1/3, so if the nom continued watching, they would notice her in a good part of the rest of the episode, hardly making her an "extra." I will change the reference so it links to the TV show though so there is no further confusion. There are a number of good sources, meeting WP:N. I agree with Milowent, this article needs work, not deletion. --Zoeydahling (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No that video is not proof that Lion's Gate screened it. In fact this has annoyed me so much that I have emailed Lion's Gate. Even the smallest of films appear on IMDB and there is no mention of this on there or any film festival site etc. If Lion's Gate screened it surely someone would have given it a mention in 3 years. The film and television section of wikipedia is the worst referenced because of vested interests and it is silly. The sections on law, history, finance and others are so well done. I think Film and Television should be treated like any other discipline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.122.129 (talk) 23:43, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am a bit confused about what your argumentation is here. First you said it was not mentioned in the video and now you are agreeing that it is in the video but claiming that the video is not proof? Since Dreyfus clearly states that the movie was screened by Lion's Gate in the interview, I am not sure why you do not think it is proof. Your emailing Lion's Gate holds no weight here, since that is original research and we can only go off of published materials, such as the cited interview, when building Wikipedia pages. IMDb is not infallible, as the movies and credits listed there are user submitted, and it is entirely plausible that this particular movie slipped through the cracks. Additionally, your claim about "vested interests" troubles me. Are you saying that myself and Milowent and any other users who might argue for this page to be kept are not coming from a neutral POV? If so, that is a very serious claim and I hope you have some proof to back that up. --Zoeydahling (talk) 00:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not care whether or not wikipedia considers me contacting Lion's Gate valid because I know, as a public liability company, they will ensure their name is removed if that claim is false. This leaves a sour taste. People, me included, work hard to build and protect our businesses and brands. Using someone's name on hearsay is inexcusable. And no, I do not think you two are coming from a neutral point of view. You wrote most of this, and other pages of a similar nature. The other user, Milowent, is a self-proclaimed 'inclusionist'. I stumbled across this page by accident. I am not involved in film and television in any way. I could not believe that such trivial, mainly unsubstantiated rantings could be included in an encyclopaedia. 94.1.122.129 (talk) 11:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "they will ensure their name is removed if that claim is false" - LOL, I highly doubt that, companies don't troll wikipedia 24/7, which is why its always better to improve the sourcing of articles.--Milowent (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * None of the things you just asserted make any difference in whether an editor has a conflict of intrest in editing this page. Many people enjoy writing about actors and many people are inclusionists, but that does not make their POVs any less valid or more/less biased in this debate. You might notice that even this debate was listed on talk pages for relevant discussion boards, thereby encouraging interested editors to contribute. That alone should tell you that Wikipedia encourages users with an interest in a topic to weigh in about whether a topic is notable, and again, speaks to the fact that Milowent, myself, and any other editors who may weigh in have every right to do so. Additionally, please remember to assume good faith about other editors and their intentions.
 * If you do not care about Wikipedia policies, I am not sure why you are bothering to edit Wikipedia. A published interview is not "hearsay," but a reliable source, unlike an e-mail that you privately sought out on your own. As a company with a vested interest in the truth about this claim, Lion's Gate itself would be unable to edit the page directly due to a conflict of interest. If they'd like to put out a public statement regarding this film, they are more than welcome to, but if not, we must go off of what is publicly published in creating Wiki pages. And as long as you continue to edit on Wikipedia, you must abide by these rules.
 * Lastly, I would remind you to please maintain a civil tone when dealing with other editors. This conversation does not need to deteriorate into accusations about motivations and Wikipedia as a whole, but instead should be a civil debate about whether or not this particular article meets Wikipedia guidelines to merit inclusion. Thank you. --Zoeydahling (talk) 18:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Played a major character in two webseries, would be easier if she had one or two more credits to her name, but I think her contribution is sufficient to meet the criteria as I understand it. Mathieas (talk) 03:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Meets WP:ENT if we accept that a major webseries is notable. Thparkth (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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