Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexandre, Grand Prince of Gutleben


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Alexandre, Grand Prince of Gutleben

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No reliable source coverage of subject or "princely court" - fails WP:GNG Hack (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete He's not a head of some country, just head of a humanitarian organization. That organization gets no results at Google News archive or Google books, other than its own website. He appears to fail WP:BIO. His organization does not appear to have a Wikipedia article and does not appear to satisfy WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 16:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. He's not even head a humanitarian organization.  I mean, yes, the website claims that the Order does humanitarian work, but it also claims to be sovereign under international law.  Websites can claim a lot of things.  By all indications, this is actually more like a micronation, styled after the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and without even the tenuous sorts of sourcing that aspiring micronation articles generally provide.  Technically, Template:Grand Princely Family of Gutleben should have a discussion at TFD rather than here, but in the interests of minimizing bureaucracy, it can almost certainly be deleted when this article is. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * And delete all the additional Gutleben articles which have now been bundled with this nomination. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Following entries added to original nomination of "Alexandre, Grand Prince of Gutleben" at this point in the discussion: "Grand Princely Family of Gutleben," "Joëlle, Hereditary Princess of Gutleben," "Sovereign Princely Order of Gutleben" and Grand Princely Family of Gutleben
 * Delete. Obscure head of an obscure organisation that claims to be an obscure micronation. No significant coverage by reliable secondary sources. A search for news articles doesn't bring up anything. The citations listed in the article are self-published and not considered reliable. The subject does not meet the general notability criteria.-- xanchester  (t)  17:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-existent nation. Not a prince, grand or otherwise. No independent coverage, not even in unreliable sources. Churn and change (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. With no sources to confirm the existence of his alleged princely house other than its own website (which has minimal content), the subject appears to be non-notable and his princely claims appear to be unverifiable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also delete all the additionally nominated articles which similarly lack independent sources. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Same logic applies to all the articles. Churn and change (talk) 19:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above. DrKiernan (talk) 12:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply Dear, This organization is a humanitarian organization, active in the world. Titles of nobility are present on official identity documents (passports ...). SPOG-CP (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Regardless of what this organization is or does, we need to be able to find information about it in reliable independent sources in order for it or its leaders to have a Wikipedia article. This is necessary so we can verify the claims about it. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Credibility is not enhanced by the fact that all of these articles were written by a new account with SPOG in its name. —Tamfang (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Reply Dear, I am the biographer of the family. The family was asserted that titles of nobility are listed on the birth certificates issued by France.SPOG-CP (talk) 13:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.