Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexandrine Le Normant d'Étiolles


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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 20:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Alexandrine Le Normant d'Étiolles

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Not independently notable. Not legitimate, so no claim to the throne. Scandal was about her mother, so no need for a separate article about this 9-year-old girl. --- Coffee  and crumbs  19:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Her notability is not demonstrated by any claim to the throne but by the fact that she has been the subject of sustained interest by historians and biographers, as attested by the references provided in the article. There’s ‘no need’ for much of Wikipedia, but we judge notability on sourcing, meaning this clearly passes. Mccapra (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * None of the sources cited are about her but about her mother. --- Coffee  and crumbs  22:41, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes the sources are all books about her mother, but they all make reference to the daughter. The girl’s entire life is known through these sources. AFAIK every book about her mother discusses the daughter means so she has received sustained coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. The girl was not historically significant, but per our guidelines she was notable. Mccapra (talk) 05:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete her mother was notable, nothing suggests that this 9 year old girl ever rose to the level of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * &hellip; apart from all of the history books with her life in them. Not even cited in the article is Margaret Crosland's book, which would also support all of this, across 8 pages.  Then there are the books on the privately collected works of Boucher, the books that are in French &hellip;  Mccapra is right.  We keep stuff because it is properly documented objectively and in depth by multiple people.  Subjective ideas of fame and importance are no more the rule for historical figures than they are for atolls in the Solomon Islands and species of beetle.  People suggested fame and importance, years ago.  It was wrong.  Uncle G (talk) 07:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge briefly to her mother, who was an extremely notable royal mistress. She is certainly not independently notable.  Even if she had been legitimate, a princess being educated in a convent would hardly be notable by the age of 9.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I think you are mixing up significance with notability. There is no argument at all that she was significant. However if you look at WP:BASIC you’ll see she definitely passes our notability threshold. Mccapra (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Regarded by a king as his stepdaughter. Definitely notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep sufficient coverage, though this could possibly be handled in a section of her mother's article. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 20:06, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I think merging to her mother would lead to a rather lengthy digression so keeping a (well-referenced) separate article is most appropriate. Pichpich (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


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