Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexey Chuklin


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 10:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Alexey Chuklin

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WP:Notability The cited motor racing series for this driver is comparitively or very minor, with one of them not even worthy of an article in English wikipeida. Falcadore (talk) 05:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 05:47, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Racing in Formula Renault NEC does not make a driver notable enough. Winning the championship? Maybe. Winning races? Perhaps. A best result of 12th? No. - mspete  93  11:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are very few drivers from Russia in professional series so I'm sure each of them is very important for Russian and European motor sport. Should we delete articles about all other racers competing in FR 2.0 NEC? For example, Alessandro Vita Kouzkin. Besides, Chuklin is going to take part in Eurocup Formula Renault 2.0 which is more prestigious and well covered than FR 2.0 NEC. - Olegbv(talk) 12.00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Category:Russian racecar drivers points out quite a few Russian race car drivers. Simply being Russian and a race car driver does not make one notable, no matter how many or few of his countrymen we have articles on.  Also, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the existance of articles on other drivers such as Kouzkin does not establish that such drivers are notable.  The359  ( Talk ) 18:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I still think the article should be kept due to WP:BASIC and WP:CARES - there are enough reliable and independent secondary sources connected with this driver; and there are some motor sport fans and professionals who find articles devoted to novice racers important. Chuklin's career is unique for FR 2.0 NEC: he is currently the oldest racer in the series. - Olegbv(talk) 6.40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you actually go and read the sources, they don't look as good. The only real ones are in Russian, but having a bio on a site dedicated specifically to Russian racing doesn't confer worldwide notability. The mentions in the others are trivial or in results lists. Delete. LRT24 (talk) 15:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Besides, Kouzkin probably has an article because he competed in International Formula Master, which was more notable than FR NEC, as a European-wide championship with European-wide live television coverage as well as directly producing GP2 drivers. And competing in Eurocup FR still won't justify notability. - mspete  93  19:55, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * - My final argument to keep the article would be a reference to WP:NSPORTS: "Motorsport figures are presumed notable if they have driven in a fully professional series", but unfortunately the clarification of the term "fully professional" ("fully professional series is one where prize money is not trivial compared to the cost of the series") is unsatisfactory: many fully professional motorsport championships (for example, DTM), especially in Europe, have no significant prize money. I raised this issue in the guideline's discussion, because FR 2.0 NEC is a fully professional championship. Olegbv(talk) 07.20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * - Any series where the majority of drivers not only are NOT paid sallaries, but have to pay their racing teams and bring budget to their teams to compete is very definately not a professional series. So in a sense you are correct but not with respect to Alexey Chuklin. You could succesfully write an article on Chuklin's team as a professional outfit, but Chuklin himself would fail a professionalism test. The notability belong to Chuklin's team, not to Chuklin himself. --Falcadore (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is not wikipedia's role to anticipate future notability (WP:CBALL). If Alexey Chuklin is going to become notable at a later date then the article can be re-started then. Right at the moment Chuklin is not a notable driver. he is currently the oldest racer in the series, which actually counts against him being notable because it makes him less likely to progress to bigger series and make more notable achievements. Additionally your point about Alessandro Vita Kouzkin merely suggests that perhaps he should be deleted as well.
 * there are some motor sport fans and professionals who find articles devoted to novice racers important. Wikipedia though does not share this belief. Wikipedia demands a standard of notability that Chuklin does not meet. WP:ATHLETE --Falcadore (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - A minor driver in a very minor racing series with nothing to establish notability yet. The359  ( Talk ) 18:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete As 359 says, and relating more specifically to the notability guidelines, there is no significant independent mention in reliable sources that I can see. None of the English language references given do anything other than mention the guy's name. Of the two Russian sources, one (the only source of any length) is a press release on behalf of the driver and the other is a very short piece noting that a third Russian (Chuklin) has joined the series. At present the article cannot be anything much more than a list of results. 4u1e (talk) 05:52, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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