Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexey Yanushevsky


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The result was   keep Hers fold  (t/a/c) 03:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Alexey Yanushevsky

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Contested PROD. Article fails WP:BIO. Secondary (that is, not primary) sources cannot be included to establish notability of a living person. None of the references are verifiable. MuZemike (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MuZemike (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think a professional gamer is usually notable, especially when the article consists primarily of lists of trivia (see my list at WP:COD).  Also, it contains future events and speculation.  However, please note that academically speaking, news is not really a primary source, though it sometimes can be; a primary source would be a scoreboard or screenshots or something.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. WP:BIO (WP:ATHLETE) says:


 * Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis.Yanushevsky won two major international Quake competitions—QuakeCon and Electronic Sports World Cup, hence notable. Sources given in article are e-sports news or official competition websites. Why don't put a proper template in the place of missing/wrong reference, fact for example, instead of nominating article for deletion? Visor (talk) 14:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Primarysources and notability templates were placed on the article prior to the article being prodded (see diff). MuZemike (talk) 15:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean, exactly in the place of sentence. What exactly source do you need to proof scores other than official competition website? Visor (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:BIO stipulates: A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. It further reads: Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.
 * I consider all the references in the article primary sources because they are closest in relation to the person. I do not see any verifiable secondary sources, that is, sources outside these official sites that contain information about Cypher.
 * As far as templates are concerned, I always try to tag articles appropriately (i.e. notability or unreferenced) and wait a few days before going the deletion route, which is strongly recommended per WP:AFD. With that said, if I thought there were places in the article that were missing references, I would place a refimprove tag on top and, if I am in a generous mood and have the time, place the appropriate inline tags. However, I thought the bigger problem was that it lacks secondary sources, which needs to be addressed before we address any missing citations/references. I hope that clears things up as far as tagging is concerned.
 * Finally, in regards to WP:ATHLETE, I'm not to argue whether or not the person falls under its description, as it likely does; nonetheless, it still must meet the basic notability standards set forth for articles about people. That's where I disagree as far as notability is concerned. MuZemike (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   —Visor (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   —Visor (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * if I understand primary and secondary sources correctly, three of the six sources listed (I added another one) are secondary since they  depend on other sources (mainly websites) to report about the tournament results in question. Zerter (talk)


 * Strong keep (disclaimer: I started the article) Yanushevsky himself is definitely notable. As far as any problems with sourcing or possibly writing that in the eyes of some do not meet wikipedia standards, this does not seem reason enough for me to delete the article - improving it would serve the project better. I'm willing to help in this regard, when time permits me, if anyone can point out the irregularities.Zerter (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * keep - not really an athlete, but a professional who is recognized to be among the best in his field. --T-rex 00:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, satisfying WP:BIO for competing at the highest level of play. &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 03:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


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