Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexia Koukotsikas


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 16:29, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexia Koukotsikas

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This person is only mentioned in a speech of a politician, and speeches of politicians are not reliable sources, nor they are enough to prove the notability of people. Couldn't find any reliable sources for Alexia and Grigoris Koukotsikas, there are no reliable sources for Grigoris Koukotsikas either. Furthermore, no hits other than Wikipedia for "Alexia Koukotsikas". Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 12:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The references are not just quoting speeches of politicians. There are 10 references. Are they not enough for you?  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 01:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as not individually notable. Politicians raise the case of individuals they represent all the time, and sadly there are many thousands of people who are displaced and unable to return to an area where they once lived because of political or other circumstances. So although she probably exists, and the facts given about her may be true, they do not make her notable. To be so she would have to have done something notable in her own right and be written about for it - for example if she had led a prominent campaign for a right to return. --AJHingston (talk) 13:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:GNG. There are many references in the Greek language that confirm notability when checking for alternate spellings of her surname.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 14:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * At the first look, Ριζοκάρπασον and Typos.com.cy do not look like reliable sources. And still it is not confirmed by reliable, non-Greek or non-politician sources, unlike Eleni Foka. Moreover, I wonder whether any further information can be found on this person, as AJHingston has said. --Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 14:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You have criticised two references. There are now ten references in total.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 12:09, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP1E.Also lacking demonstration of substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources as required by WP:N. Also per WP:NOTNEWS, even if the politician's speech was echoed by the newspapers for a news cycle. Getting mentioned by a politician does not demonstrate notability. Known only for being displaced from one's home? Not notable. Edison (talk) 15:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Have added a number of sources since you made your recommendation. Moreover, not just known for being displaced from her home. She was a schoolteacher, one of only three schoolteachers at the only school for the Greek community in Northern Cyprus, who were prevented from returning to the school that they teach at by the occupation regime. Moreover how does this article offend WP:BLP1E as there are more than enough references backing up the stub content in the article?  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 15:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The Cypriot Financial Mirror newspaper has recorded that as recently as September 2008, the government of Northern Cyprus has prevented schoolteachers from returning to the primary school in Rizokarpaso. This is not about Koukotsikas. Those references are unreliable as I can see. Rizokarpason.com is a commercial website, and as it says "For a free Rizokarpaso", its obvious POV can be seen at the very first place. Makarios Drousiotis is not a reliable source either, and he even says "The enslaved at Karpas", his POV is obvious. Typos.com.cy also looks like an unreliable source in this case. And this article is still against WP:BLP1E, Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. This person is only in the context of one single event, the couple did not take the issue to the ECHR etc., and this event was reported in the news, naturally, but was not covered so widely. And being a schoolteacher does not make someone notable. --Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 16:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Being one of only three Greek primary schoolteachers who is prevented from teaching at the only Greek community primary school by a Turkish occupation government is notable. The Financial Mirror article shows that the problem that this teacher suffered was not an isolated incident and is relevant. Rizokarpason.com is not a commercial website (it is a community website using a .com domain name) and it displays photographs of Alexia Koukotsikas and her husband. You claim that Typos.com.cy "also looks like an unreliable source" (that is POV). Makarios Drousiotis is a professional journalist, who has been quoted many times on Wikipedia, and he is perfectly within his rights in calling the people of Rizokarpaso enslaved since they have continuously suffered under the occupation regime (including censorship of what schoolbooks that they could use, including unvoluntary slave labor see Human rights in Northern Cyprus, and the population of Rizokarpaso which was 20,000 after the Turkish invasion of Cyprus has dwindled down to a couple of hundred because of the restrictions and hardships inflicted upon them by the Turkish occupation government, which has discriminated against them to force them to leave the occupied territory. The issue was raised at the European Parliament and has been translated in to all European languages. Moreover, his wife is also a teacher at the same school and was also prevented from returning to the Rizokarpaso enclave thus preventing the "right of education" to Greek Cypriot schoolchildren in occupied northern Cyprus. How is this article against WP:BLP1E all content is referenced to the nth degree?  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 16:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I really do not think that most of the sources in this article are reliable, and your claims are not enough to prove that they are reliable, at least neutral. And I really do not think that these two articles can be expanded more. If they are expanded, the content will be irrelevant. --Seksen (talk) 19:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You are repeating generalizations and you have not added anything.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 01:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per ONEEVENT. Famous for being a Greek in Northern Cyprus who was unable to return there, rather than any individual notability. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with ONEEVENT. I wish it were only about one event. This is about a Greek Cypriot school teacher (and her Greek husband) who were prevented from returning to her village and to the school that they taught at because of the Republic of Turkey's systematic policies of blockading the Right to Education for the people of Rizokarpaso. These were not the only school teachers who were prevented from returning to the village and the school. There is a list that includes Eleni Foka. She was not famous for "being a Greek in Northern Cyprus who was unable to return there" rather "she was a school teacher was was prevented from teaching by a country with extraodinarily racist, religionist, and segregational policies who deliberately kept teachers out of the only Greek-language primary school in Northern Cyprus" and this was brought to the attention of the world through the European Parliament and the media in Cyprus and in Greece who wrote some articles about it. At the time there were only 3 Greek school teachers in Northern Cyprus and Alexia and her husband were two out of the three. Turkey's deliberate policy of making it more and more difficult for people to retain their ethnic and cultural identity. The easiest way to compare Turkey is with the Borg in Star Trek ("resistance is futile", you will be assimilated by hook or by crook).  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 13:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read ONEEVENT. This article is based on one event, which is when this teacher (and husband) were blockaded from reentering their village. That's one event. Details about other people are irrelevant to this specific article. You've created an article on Greek villages that remain in Northern Cyprus, and there's an article on human rights in Northern Cyprus. These pages about people who are famous for one event should be redirected to the general articles. No comment on Star Trek. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That could have been suggested before this was brought in to AfD.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 14:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Non-notability is a good reason for an AfD. And this is ONEEVENT because they were just blockaded, but they did not take the issue to the ECHR or something like that. --Seksen (talk) 19:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Either way it still meets WP:GNG.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 20:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The event may meet GNG. The people involved certainly don't. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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