Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexis Gomez (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Closing this as No consensus. I don't think relisting would resolve these differing perceptions of the article and newly found sources. Numerically, more editors argue that this article should be Kept but many are "Weak Keep"s (and one Weak Delete as well) signifying an existing uncertainty that lands us in No consensus Land. But please let this not be an article that is nominated annually until a desired outcome is provided. Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Alexis Gomez
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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claim here is that she was a non-winning competitor on American Idol, which is not an automatic notability freebie in and of itself -- obviously a person can lose an Idol series and still go on to accomplish other notable things in their music career anyway, but people don't automatically qualify for articles just for competing on Idol per se -- but the only other thing here is that an independent album exists for sale on CDBaby, which isn't a notability clincher either. And for footnotes we've got one directly affiliated primary source, one directory entry, one glancing namecheck of her existence in an Idol episode recap that isn't otherwise about her, and one deadlinked piece of "local young woman ends run on reality show" in her hometown local media, which isn't enough to get her over WP:GNG all by itself if it's the only piece of proper media coverage about her that she has. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more noteworthy achievements, and better sourcing for them, than just competing in a reality show. Bearcat (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Notability (people), which says: "People are presumed if they have received significant coverage in  that are,  of each other, and .If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." Sources  < The article notes: "But Wright State University and Centerville High School alum Alexis Gomez is at her happiest when she’s on an area stage mixing it up with the crowd. ... While Idol helped Gomez get her name “out there,” she’s still working tirelessly to get her big break. She lives in Nashville and can be found spending four or five hours a day in writing sessions, and countless hours networking, searching online, and walking into meetings to get her name and face into as many places as she can. She does substitute teaching at Centerville High School when she’s home, and babysits and performs other odd jobs as well. ... She also has a modeling contract in Nashville that has helped her get into a Hardee’s commercial and a small part in a music video of a new song from country singer Tracy Lawrence, a star in the 1990s who is making a comeback."   The article notes: "Gomez got her start singing with her family band in Dayton, Ohio. Her first performance was when she was eight years old and she hasn't looked back since. Then, four years ago, she found herself on the hit TV show America Idol, which has produced famous singers such as Scotty McCreery and Carrie Underwood. ... After being on that show, she went on to start recording her own albums and going on tour, singing her songs to the public."   The article notes: "Gomez, a graduate of Centerville High School and Wright State University, was a Top 16 finalist on Season 14 of “American Idol” in 2015. She went on to compete as a Top 10 finalist in “Nash Next” in 2016 and 2017, and has continued her singing career following these competitions by performing around the local area this summer." </li> <li> The article notes: "Gomez grew up in the Dayton area and has been singing and playing music for as long as she can remember. She plays guitar, piano and dabbles around with a few other instruments to include banjo, bass and drums. Her songwriting has been recognized in recent years as she has won a number of local contests where’s she’s been given the opportunity to showcase some of her original music. She plays locally with her band, The Mad River Band, as well as with a variety of bands in Nashville, Tennessee, on the Broadway strip." </li> <li> The article notes: "Centerville and Wright State graduate Alexis Gomez is best known as the semi-finalist on the hit FOX show American Idol (Season 14). She also was a finalist in the Nash Next National Contest in 2016 to find the next Rising Country Star." </li> <li> The article notes: "Gomez, a graduate of Centerville High School and Wright State University, was a semi-finalist on the hit show “American Idol” (Season 14). The multi-instrumentalist went on to compete as a finalist in “Nash Next” in 2016 and 2017, and has opened for artists such as Randy Hauser, Midland, Montgomery Gentry, Cassadee Pope, Clint Black and Old Dominion." </li> <li> The article notes: "A former American Idol contender played the Preble County Historical Society Amphitheater last Friday night, for an excited crowd of fans of all ages. ... Gomez played for a two hours and covered major country hits from artists ranging from Johnny Cash to Carrie Underwood. The concert brought in approximately 160 guests and 80 percent of them had never been to the venue, White said." </li> <li> The article notes: "Dayton-area native Alexis Gomez was named winner of the 32nd Annual Texaco Country Showdown local competition, a country music talent search and radio promotion held at the 2013 Clark County Fair on Thursday evening. ... Gomez grew up in the Dayton area and has been singing and playing music for as long as she can remember. Her father, brother and sister are all musicians. As she got older, she joined the family band. She plays guitar and piano, and dabbles around with a few other instruments including banjo, bass and drums. She's won a number of local contests, where she’s been given the opportunity to showcase some of her original music." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Alexis Gomez to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 21:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Alexis Gomez competed in season 14 of the television show American Idol, which ran from 7 January to 13 May 2015. She received significant coverage in reliable sources in 2013, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2022. This demonstrates she has received sustained coverage outside of her appearance on the show. Cunard (talk) 21:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And precisely which of those quotes suggests that any of said coverage exists in any context that would satisfy any NMUSIC criterion? GNG isn't a raw number of footnotes, and requires the footnotes to exist in noteworthy contexts — which is why, for example, a member of parliament passes GNG on just one hit of verification that they're actually a member of parliament, whereas a city councillor can fail GNG on a couple of dozen run of the mill hits of purely local coverage that doesn't establish nationalizing significance: because GNG test sources for the context of what they're covering the person for, and not just the raw number of hits that it's possible to show. So precisely which of those hits exist in notable contexts, considering that what you've shown is entirely local coverage in and around her own hometown and none of it establishes passage of any NMUSIC criterion? Bearcat (talk) 02:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * These quotes demonstrate that Alexis Gomez has received significant coverage in reliable sources. Alexis Gomez meets Notability (music), which says: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.<ol><li>Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.</li></ol>" The guideline does not require "nationalizing significance". Alexis Gomez also meets Notability (people) and Notability. Cunard (talk) 03:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: Pinging Articles for deletion/Alexis Gomez participants who are not blocked or topic banned from AfD:, , and . Cunard (talk) 21:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * DELETE. I listed this article for deletion last year (Articles for deletion/Alexis Gomez) because I didn't think she met the criteria for notability then, and I still don't think she does now. Bgsu98   (Talk)  21:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Cunard (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Ohio.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  22:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep When this was AfDed last time, I voted for redirecting the article to American Idol season 14. But I was on the fence about changing my vote to "Keep" on the basis of the sources that Cunard had found. Those sources show that in the years since Gomez was on Idol, she has continued to recieve news coverage, some related to her role as an opening act for multiple high profile artists. I do think that this article topic is right on the edge of notability and could be redirected, but it bothers me that articles related to American Idol finalists are often AfDed again and again even when previous AfDs close with consensus to "Keep". I respect the outcome of the previous AfD and feel that sources have been provided illustrating enough sustained coverage to more or less meet minimum notability requirements. --Jpcase (talk) 02:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep GNG is met, RS coverage is sufficient. No topic must meet both the GNG and an SNG: if the GNG is met, a topic is notable even if the relevant SNG is not met. Jclemens (talk) 07:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Reviewing Cunard's list, I think source 2 is on the line, and sources 4 and 8 on paper meet GNG. The rest I feel I can safely argue are not sufficient. I am sympathetic to Bearcat's arguments regarding most coverage being local, but I cannot find a policy for me to use to disqualify any sources provided by Cunard on that basis. Because of the caveat of "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" (emphasis mine) from Notability (people), I believe GNG is met when combining all sources together, but just barely. Because of this, WP:NMUSIC is irrelevant. — Sirdog (talk) 04:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Can't find enough reliable coverage and available sources don't seem proper. Bradelykooper (talk) 07:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep this time, but the S.S. Cunard remains at the top of his game. Emphasis on "weak", because the worst-case scenario from here is to send it off to Fandom if enough can't be done to save it here. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 10:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - we most often delete contestants on American Idol who are not finalists, unless they have had widespread success with their band and touring, as shown in significant coverage. I don't think that a few local news stories counts. Bearian (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding "unless they have had widespread success with their band and touring", that is Notability (music) #4. I agree that Alexis Gomez does not meet WP:SINGER #4. However, she meets WP:SINGER #1, which says, "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself". The guideline does not exclude local sources from establishing notability. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't have a rule that local sources are verboten, no. We do have a rule that local sourcing isn't enough if it's all that a person has. Bearcat (talk) 14:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. The sources fished by the Cunard allow the subject to land squarely in notability territory, per, at least, WP:SINGER. -The Gnome (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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