Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfonso de Griego


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The result was   speedy delete. under G3: after a SPI case there is no question this was a hoax Sh i r ik  ( Questions or Comments? ) 04:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Alfonso de Griego

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Delete - A dismally unnotable composer if actually real; very possibly a hoax article. Having spent a considerable amount of time looking for evidence of an Alfonso de Griego, I've come to the conclusion that no such person can be found anywhere on the internet, in either Russian, English or Spanish. If this person ever actually existed, he fails to meet WP:NOTABILITY, which requires substantial coverage in independent sources (even if the lone journal article in the references section actually appeared sometime in print during 1990 and Griego was an actual historical person, his life and work seems to have otherwise otherwise entirely unnotable, the composer having no legacy and becoming dismally forgotten to the point that no verifiably existing traces of his life as described are even confirmable). The same absence of evidence of any Alfonso de Griego / his Russian alias (I've glanced at various spelling variants in the Cyrillic alphabet, etc.) thus seems to suggest that the less charitable possibility of this article simply being a hoax cannot be ruled out.

The fact that the accompanying image to the right of the text, captioned "'The Leningrad Symphony. Conducted by Yevgeny Mravinsky', 1980, by Lev Alexandrovich Russov. The grey man's face in the middle is often thought to be the face of Alfonso de Griego'" actually happens to be an image of Shostakovich -- the painting actually depicts the Leningrad conductor Mravinsky's famous performance the Shostakovich's Seventh Symphony in the middle of besieged Leningrad in 1942 -- very much supports the hoax hypothesis. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 15:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


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 * Speedy delete as obvious hoax. Excluding Wikipedia from Gsearch gives five hits, of which maybe all trace back to us anyway. Mangoe (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * DeleteNothing that shows this person exists, all evidence points to hoax.
 * Delete - no confirmation, nothing in Grove Music Online, almost certain hoax, at best unverifiable. JohnCD (talk) 10:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete (delayed speedy WP:CSD) once it is no longer useful to Sockpuppet investigations/VonOrange. Sockpuppet investigations/VonOrange: "Please delete Alfonso de Griego, my brother was being stupid and was trying to tweak a person from real life..."  Whether the explanation is true, it's clear that someone using the article creator's account is saying it's fake. --Closeapple (talk)
 * Delete as hoax. Edward321 (talk) 13:50, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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