Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred H. Bellot


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The result was move/redirect to History of the Rockaways from the Year 1685 to 1917. Consensus is that Bellot himself is not notable, but his book is. (non-admin closure) 4meter4 (talk) 22:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Alfred H. Bellot

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He wrote a book, but there are no biographical details that would establish notability. There are no reliable / verifiable sources about him in the article, nor could I found anything in a Google search. The book he wrote is interesting, but I'm not sure that the book is notable as an alternative. Alansohn (talk) 03:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Alansohn (talk) 03:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 04:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Notable for the continued significance of his 1918 book a hundred years later. This is attested by the New York Times source recently added in the article, and the fact that the book continues to be cited in scholarly works today, , ect. (more on Google Scholar). Mottezen (talk) 05:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you arguing that the book is notable or that it's the author? I would support a rename for the book with a redirect from the author. Alansohn (talk) 21:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the sources available discuss the book and its content more than the author. I support a rename too. Mottezen (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - It sounds like the book may be notable (I haven't found enough independent secondary sourcing to confirm as much), in which case it would make sense to Redirect this article to that hypothetical article, but I'm not seeing enough material to satisfy WP:BIO here. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:30, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – his arguably notable book doesn't get us anywhere, as Rhododendrites explains. A Newspapers.com search digs up a a few biographical anecdotes, but this is just the sort of routine ephemeral press coverage that can be found for half of all early-20th-century middle-class white American men. Per WP:NOTNEWS, it doesn't hold much sway unless there's some later secondary coverage, which is conspicuously missing here. I'm always glad to reassess if something more can be found, but as it stands I'm not seeing a claim under either WP:NAUTHOR or the GNG. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mottezen. I think we need an article for either the author or the book, though not both. The newly added sources do indeed attest the lasting significance of Bellot's work as a historian and that swings it for me. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:55, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge -- His only notability is as author of a book. That book is one on the local history of an area Rockaway Peninsula.  It is an unusual local history that is important enough to be WP notable.  However there is scope for ensuring that content from this article is used on the history section of that article and others in the area.  Such local histories are abundant and almost invariably NN.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 14:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.