Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred Jenkins Shriver


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 03:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Alfred Jenkins Shriver

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable sources Meatsgains (talk) 21:30, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I could find no published biographies, or biographical articles, on Shriver, and, to my knowledge, he left no collection of papers, which may explain the lack of published biographical material. But he certainly featured prominently in Baltimore society in the early 20th century and was a significant figure in the history of Johns Hopkins University.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim at JHU (talk • contribs) 21:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment those paper sources sound like a respectable obituary in an RS. Not being online doesn't mean they don't exist - David Gerard (talk) 07:43, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Can you clarify why you don't think the Baltimore Sun and John Hopkins Magazine are reliable and/or not significant mentions? Joe Roe (talk) 13:02, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, those are both reliable sources but I can't seem to verify coverage of Shriver in either of them. The references are ambiguous, only noting the publication and date it was published. Meatsgains (talk) 14:22, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * When you say "can't seem to verify", what do you mean? What steps did you take? - David Gerard (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - This is the person after whom Shriver Hall on JHU is named. newspapers.com has tons of information on him. He has an significan entry in a book of short biographies of Baltimoreans, which could be added to the references, too . A new editor who is a librarian started this page, instead of taking this straight to afd, maybe give the user some advice and time. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:07, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - After the format of references were improved (the subject can be verified) and the page was brought up to quality standards, I see no reason to delete. Meatsgains (talk) 19:20, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Smurphy. Definitely a notable figure in Baltimore's history, and the article now has the sourcing to verify this. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This article is rather thin on what he did between his graduation and his last illness, except produce a text book. In my country legal text books can remain in print for many years, going through multiple editions, with a new one every few years.  If that applies to Law of Wills and Personal Property in Maryland, then the article should certainly be kept.  We have what appears to be a local biographical dictionary among the sources, but not one available to me.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Not addressing your main point, but I fixed the Hall citation, sorry it was wrong-ish. I also switched the link from google books to archive.org, perhaps you can view that version. I'm not sure if people in the UK can see archive.org links when google books ones are hidden; if it works, you can search there for a view-able version in cases like this. You can also use a US proxy or vpn to view PD google books when they are hidden in the UK - many free browser-based proxy services exist. Smmurphy(Talk) 21:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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