Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred Kaskel


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The result was speedy keep. One quick search shows all the notability needed. Speedy closing as there is snowball's chance of this turning into anything more than a dogpile of keeps due to the nomination rationale being entirely faulty. The article is in a bad shape but AfD is not for cleanup. The nominator is reminded of WP:BEFORE - and WP:BITE. The Bushranger One ping only 09:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Alfred Kaskel

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Non-notable real estate agent. JTtheOG (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:07, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment whether he's notable or not, he does not appear to be a mere "real estate agent." He is described as a "real estate developer and hotelier best known for starting Doral Hotel Corporation, Doral Hotels and Resorts, Doral Construction, and Carol Management, the family companies, which developed, owned, and managed a number of hotels, apartment buildings, and office buildings in New York City, Florida, Chicago, and Boston."
 * According to Doral, Florida and to the Gnews search results in the link above, real estate pioneers Alfred and Doris Kaskel founded this community and it is indeed named for them, combining the first syllables of their names. Alfred Kaskel, and possibly Alfred and Doris Kaskel together, appear to me to be clearly notable. Keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, I see he's also the grandfather of publisher Steven Schragis (who does not yet have an article here) and is prominently mentioned in Schragis' New York Magazine profile here, that I found in Gbooks. And of course the Doral Golf Course (since renamed for Trump) is a well-known PGA venue -- it actually comprises 5 courses -- and Kaskel's creation of it is the subject of this 1962 newspaper paper article. There's really no shortage of material on him, if one does a little WP:BEFORE work. Given the mislabelling of him a real estate agent in the nomination, I have to wonder how much of that took place. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Finally, it also does seem to be a WP:BITEy way to greet new editor, who it seems to me has started an article on a notable American developer, only to have it promptly brought to Afd under the shakiest of rationales. Not a great start for him or her. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Founder of Doral ("DOR"is and "AL"fred). Sources abound, not just in the clicks you can follow above, but in a short walk around Doral/Miami. This nomination is way off base.  I don't see how WP:BEFORE could have been followed on this one. Jacona (talk) 15:14, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


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