Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred Radermacher


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The result was delete. Tone 09:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Alfred Radermacher

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See Articles for deletion/Hans Peter Dengel. Originally User:OberRanks (now banned for fabrication of content and sources) had, in Das Boot and in this article, claimed that a character in that film was based on Alfred Radermacher (as he had claimed other characters were based on actual U-96 crew members). But it was all unsourced and that has now been removed. Now that the article has been stubbed to remove all the unsourced and OR material, what we are left with is the bare fact that Radermacher served on the U-boat that was the inspiration for Das Boot. I don't see that that confers notability, and I see no other notability in this article. The only remaining source (now that the one almost certainly fabricated one has been removed) is just Radermacher's service summary. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Part of a walled garden built around the notion that crew members of that particular U-boat are notable for their alleged one-to-one correspondence with characters in the book, which would be fallacious even if such a correspondence existed (it apparently doesn't). Apart from that, the subject clearly fails WP:SOLDIER (didn't even command a boat in battle), and most certainly fails WP:GNG. Note that a bare-bones outline of his career could probably be reliably sourced from books such as Busch & Röll, Der U-Boot-Krieg, but that's just routine catalog listings of all boats and commanders, so per "not indiscriminiate information" those listings alone won't imply notability either. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Oberleutnant zur See not sufficient for WP:SOLDIER. While being featured / being the inspirations of a movie/book can confer notability (by dint of resulting SIGCOV) - it does not appear to be close to the case here. A redirect to Das Boot is perhaps possible, though that article at the moment doesn't mention this individual and the association of this individual with that film/book is un-sourced at the moment.Icewhiz (talk) 06:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed the mention of him from Das Boot along with the other crew in these edits, as it was all unsourced and all added by chronic fabricator OberRanks. Although the book and film were inspired by the real life U-96, there appears to be no evidence that the characters were based on the real life crew. My guess is that OberRanks simply assumed that each character was based on the real crew member of the same rank/position. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As long as the connection is un-soruced (or OR) - then certainly a redirect is not in order. OberRanks's OR(?) might have been his own - or based on some (possibly unreliable sources) - in my BEFORE I do see some sources for this - it seems Nordwest-Zeitung (regional newspaper) did run a piece or two tying them together - here and here - and there is this podcast. So it is possible possibly to source this if someone were so inclined (does not seem critical for Das Boot, but possible). Regardless - for the AfD, I don't see how this passes notability regardless (a redirect possibly plausible if this gets reintroduced to Das Boot with good sources (which I'm not sure Nordwest-Zeitung would be)).Icewhiz (talk) 07:34, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, that local newspaper article cites Radermacher as a kind of expert witness about what life on the real U-96 was like, but it certainly doesn't contain any literary analysis of the relationship between him, as a person, and his fictional counterpart in the novel or film. The whole piece is just about a comparison between the way events on U-96 were fictionalized in the movie and the way they were presented in some other guy's private diary. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER on rank, awards or capital ship command grounds, and doesn't appear to have been in command of a U-boat that sank any shipping, which might have helped with notability. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:02, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


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