Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred Worthington


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 11:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Alfred Worthington

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Dubious notability. This article is about a British artist from the 1870s. I found this article at CAT:CSD and added a source from Google Books. However, I have had trouble finding additional sources on Google News Archive and Google Books. I'm not sure if this individual passes WP:BIO, so I have brought this article to AfD. If more sources are uncovered, I will withdraw this AfD. Cunard (talk) 22:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:ARTIST is pretty specific and I don't see how he would pass unless additional material can be found. I did turn up two seascapes on AskART.com but no bio.
 * Keep. The subject pre-dates the internet, but I've added some cited information from a few sources that I found. He may not have been internationally known, but I think there is enough on him to indicate some regional notability. Location (talk) 01:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A few pictures in a site for a local museum do not qualify as evidence of notability. I checked Google books for his name and found nothing, that has books going back to the 19th century so I don't think being around before computers in an issue. Then I tried a different tack with AskART.com, they have bios of every artist of note (even very minor ones) as there as there has been some sort of trade in their work. They list his name but no bio. The guy was able to make a living painting and of course some of his work is still going to be around for the local museum to collect, but the criteria require much more than that.--RDBury (talk) 04:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced that a lack of notation in AskART means too much. Their front page states: "The recognized site about American artists plus buyer information on artists worldwide." The first name in Category:English painters is Lemuel Francis Abbott who is famous for his portrait of Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson; Abbott does not appear to have any biographical information in AskART either.. Worthington does not have any works at the Louvre, the Uffizi, or the Met, but he does have a large number of works at the National Library of Wales and a few at the University of Wales which I think reflects regional significance to the Welsh. Location (talk) 05:20, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, AskART was just one of the methods I used to try to find something on the artist. I'm just trying show that I did due diligence before making a decision. When I put Lemuel Francis Abbott into Google books I got about 10 good hits right away, so there'd be no reason to check AskART for him in the first place. I've got nothing against your guy, if you can find some good evidence of notability that I missed then add it to the article and I'll re-evaluate. I'm just trying to apply the criteria that are spelled out very clearly on Wikipedia.--RDBury (talk) 05:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand. The above is the best I've got for a "keep". Location (talk) 06:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 06:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 22:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: The above links provided by Location have not convinced me of Alfred Worthington's notability per WP:BIO, so I have relisted this AfD to see if anyone can uncover more sources. Cunard (talk) 06:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete based on limited search information. If anyone has a good encyclopedia of art, and this painter is listed, then no prejudice to recreation. But sources available&mdash;sources that establish notability of plenty of individuals whose lifespans predate internet or electronic data&mdash;do not establish notability. Bongo  matic  01:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.