Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfredo Rouillon


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  10:04, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Alfredo Rouillon

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There's nothing currently to suggest any solid independent notability and the Demographics at the community's artice shows it would've had about 100,000 residents or so at the time and my searches have found no better sources at all. There is a Spanish Wiki article but that is also unsourced and not entirely informative, so unless native information and sources can be found, I'm not seeing anything noticeably convincing. SwisterTwister  talk  06:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  06:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  07:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  07:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think the mayor of such a major city (now with well over 1 million people) is notable no matter what its population at the time he was mayor. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete There are absolutely no sources. We should not keep any articles with no sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I think I found a scholarly source that confirms the subject was appointed as mayor (http://historiapolitica.com/datos/biblioteca/santafe_rold%C3%A1n.pdf). Google Translate is a little unclear, but suggests that the subject was appointed as mayor of Rosario. Enos733 (talk) 06:11, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. While Rosario is certainly a large enough place that a mayor would be eligible to keep a properly sourced article, no city of any size, not even Tokyo, London or New York City, ever hands its mayors an exemption from having to be reliably sourced. No prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can find the proper sourcing for it, but he doesn't get to stick around in an entirely unsourced state. Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The source found by Enos733 is sufficient as a reliable source for his mayorship and thereby the claim to notability. Other basic vitals are available in geneological sources, such as http://www.genealogiaderosario.com.ar/pdf/CEGeHR_Boletin_nro_5.pdf and http://www.genealogiafamiliar.net/getperson.php?personID=I108113&tree=BVCZ . Also dug up this: http://www.acciontv.com.ar/soca/soci/fotos3/rosario.htm, which corroborates his role in the city, although provides little detail. We may want to trim the article down to something smaller, but the core claim of being mayor, socialite and businessman can be reliably sourced. Avram (talk) 05:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It takes more than simply being able to verify that a person existed, and genealogy sources don't assist notability at all. So in terms of what's needed for referencing, none of this is enough. Bearcat (talk) 05:38, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * We have a solid claim to notability by virtue of being mayor. There is one reliable source already presented for that claim. Other information on the page also needs reliable sources, such as the published genealogy sources, which give this article a fighting chance of having more than a stub of content, even if they don't make the notability any more solid. I would still like to see some further documentation of the subject's mayorship, but unless someone pulls up the La Capital archives for the period in question, we may have some trouble doing so. Avram (talk) 07:32, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 01:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep According to Google Translate, this source appears to include a biographical sketch that begins "Alfredo J. Rouillon (1875-1951) was also a native of Rosario where he worked as a stockbroker . He was municipal mayor ( 1922-1923 ), member of the board of the Stock Exchange and chairman or member of several companies . . ." All I can see is this brief snippet but it seems very likely that the full source verifies many of the claims in the article. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  02:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added that reference to the article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:21, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep with the added reference, although the article needs more and some work, the person is notable enough to have a page. Chase (talk) 03:41, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep agreed that it needs work, but, aside from the evidence presented by Cullen328, an online search found that there are streets, monuments, and institutions in Argentina named after the subject (1, 2, 3, 4). Aust331 (talk) 12:21, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


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