Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Algebra II

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - kept, no real consensus on what to do with this one, but it could be merged somewhere. Algebra I was kept so it seems reasonable to preserve this page as well. - SimonP 14:29, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Algebra II

 * See also Votes for deletion/Algebra I

This article is about the course "Algebra II" which is being held after "Algebra I". Algebra I is up for deletion, and probably this one deserves the same fate, as it is unencyclopedic. Oleg Alexandrov 00:01, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * delete --R.Koot 00:16, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to algebra. -- BD2412  talk  00:34, 2005 May 30 (UTC)
 * Delete. -Sholtar | talk 00:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No need for a redirect. Paul August &#9742; 01:08, May 30, 2005 (UTC) Keep. I've changed my mind. I can now see some merit for keeping this article, perhaps as a redirect, if so then probably to mathematics education, as Uncle G suggests below (redirecting to elementary algebra is also a possibility and might be better than algebra). This will mean that other analogous articles (e.g. "calculus I", calculus II, calculus III) would also be desirable. Paul August  &#9742; 15:21, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * For the reason given in Votes for deletion/Algebra I, Redirect to mathematics education. Uncle G 01:51, 2005 May 30 (UTC)
 * Delete Revolución 02:31, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mathematics education. K1Bond007 03:45, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * D unnecessary, no redirect. Fawcett5 04:03, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * delete Xcali 06:26, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Every country has different course standards. No doubt this is country specific without giving context. Since people typing such a thing aren't looking for Algebra a redirect to mathematics education seems best. (same reasoning as Algebra I). Mgm|(talk) 07:03, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic. Sjakkalle 07:06, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Algebra. Nateji77 09:40, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't redirect. There's no subject matter called "Algebra II". We should not preserve every half-backed article concept as a redirect. The redirect doesn't make it any easier to find Algebra and might actually lead a somebody astray, since a redirect for "Algebra II" makes it slightly harder to perform a general search for that string. The fact that there are several opinions as to how to redirect should serve as a hint that a redirect is a bad idea. Isaac R 16:55, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh pshaw, there is a subject matter called "Algebra II" - I distinctly remember hating it in high school. -- BD2412  talk  22:06, 2005 May 30 (UTC)
 * Good point. Let's keep the article, and add material about boredom and ennui in high school! Isaac R 23:10, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * As BD2412 says, there is subject matter called Algebra II. That doesn't mean that it has to be discussed separately from mathematics education as a whole, where its relationship to Algebra I (and vice versa) can be made plain. Indeed, a redirect will ensure that that doesn't happen. Moreover, what makes you think that someone going to an article with the title "Algebra II" is looking for the mathematical topic of algebra and not the teaching standard (covered in mathematics education) specifically named "Algebra II"? Uncle G 03:39, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't redirect, per Isaac R's original point. carmeld1 00:59, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mathematics education -- Decumanus 04:10, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
 * Keep, Algebra I has grown into something decent, and I'm sure this one can as well. _ SimonP 13:08, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, no redirect needed. Even among USA high schools, different states use different standards for what material is in the Algebra I vs. Algebra II curricula.  Universities on the semester system use a different Algebra II curriculum than ones on the quarter system.  Algebra is a real subject matter that's consistently defined; Algebra II isn't.  Barno 19:26, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Algebra II is real subject matter. That its definition varies from goverment to government is something that can be discussed in the article, as has been done with Algebra I.  Or it can be discussed in a general mathematics education article, along with the reason that so many governments have not-so-coincidentally all picked the same names (Algebra I, Algebra II, Geometry, Pre-calculus, and so forth) for these mathematics education standards, with readers sent there via a redirect. Uncle G 19:15, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)
 * Delete. Thousand of high schools and universities have courses called Algebra II and the contents will be different for each. DJ Clayworth 20:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Algebra Vegaswikian 01:55, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete     16:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into and redirect to mathematical education. No way should this redirect to Algebra.  -R. S. Shaw 21:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.