Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Algeria–Kosovo relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 15:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Algeria–Kosovo relations

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The introductory text to this article is "Algerian-Kosovan relations are non-existent", which brings doubt onto the necessity for the page, certainly with this title. The rest of the article is a direct copy of content from International recognition of Kosovo, and isn't really about relations. The article's creator, User:*Kat*, stated in the original edit summary that "I am in the process of breaking down the International recognition of Kosovo article into much smaller pieces (the main article is over 220kbs long). This is the first of several sub articles on it". The International recognition article is lengthy, but no discussion has taken place on its Talk page about this. This should have been a first step before creating split articles such as this one, and I suspect that any such proposal would have been rejected. I would certainly argue against splitting up the content of the International recognition article in this way. Bazonka (talk) 12:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. As per nomination.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 12:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete/ Redirect Such relations do not exist and that content which is in this article is not notable for a stand-alone article. I propose that the title "Algeria–Kosovo relations" be redirected to "International recognition of Kosovo". IJA (talk) 12:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect to International recognition of Kosovo. Nick-D (talk) 23:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per my edit summary.  The International recognition of Kosovo article is one of the largest (both in terms of word count and KB) on Wikipedia.  Breaking it down into smaller bites would make the whole thing much more readable.   -- *Kat* (meow?) 07:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Whilst I agree that the International recognition article is overly large, the creation of articles like this is not the best way to address the problem - certainly not without prior discussion anyway. Bazonka (talk) 08:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:BRD doesn't apply to this article? -- *Kat* (meow?) 05:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:NOTPAPER IJA (talk) 14:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to split that article, then don't make a hundred small mini-articles because it's much more difficult to maintain. Break it into big pieces. A good way is taking the biggest sections and moving them to a new article, leaving a brief summary behind. For example List of states which formally recognise Kosovo as independent and List of states which do not formally recognise Kosovo as independent, leaving behind summaries of how many states are in each list. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That is a sensible proposal, but it should be discussed at Talk:International recognition of Kosovo first. Bazonka (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to International recognition of Kosovo. The only encyclopedic content is about recognition. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I would only propose creating separate articles for countries with large sections, such as Russia, Slovakia, Indonesia ect. The section regarding Algeria is not big in comparison. Also I would name theses articles "X and Kosovo's Declaration of Independence" instead of X-Kosovo relations" as they aren't relations. IJA (talk) 19:38, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Man, how many things can you say about the recognition of *one* country? You would have to milk mercilessly every source to extract enough material for one full article. It's better to group several countries and make sections for each country. Try, for example, grouping all European countries in one article. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think the difference between the Deletionist and Inclusionist tribes is actually comparatively small. There's plenty of crap coming through the pipe that we can agree needs to go away and most of the serious articles in Wikipedia aren't subjected to pointless attacks on the grounds of religious application of notability doctrine. The "Country X — Country Y Relations" articles are one big sticking point. Yes, they are extremely esoteric. I don't know what would motivate a person to dedicate their time to constructing these, but mine not to reason why... In general, the absurdist permutations of these have been getting whacked, Maldive Islands-Iceland relations and fodder of that sort, the really big ones aren't getting challenged, Russia-Canada relations and so forth. Then there are articles like this one. Esoteric? Certainly. Useless? Maybe not — Algeria and Kosovo both being Muslim countries and all. Anyway, I'm an inclusionist — there's no point in deleting serious information just because it's highly esoteric. There ya go. Carrite (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - the issue here is not about the type of article, but about its content. There are no diplomatic relations between Kosovo and Algeria, and the text in this article isn't about relations; if there were relations then I wouldn't have nominated it for deletion. Bazonka (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * @Carrite. Is it significant that both countries are muslim? Has it affected relationships in some notable way? Can you cite RS that support these effects? Those are the questions that are relevant here. --Enric Naval (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete or possibly merge anything useful to International recognition of Kosovo. No point in writing an article about something that apparently does not exist, and the content in the article is about recognition, not relations.  Sandstein   07:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.