Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alhambra, Oklahoma


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 20:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Alhambra, Oklahoma

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First source unreliable, second says it was the name of a post office but not that it was a town/ghost town. Notability not established, not even in GNIS Reywas92Talk 20:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 20:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * delete notability not established castorbailey (talk) 21:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Map of Johnston County, 1900 https://www.oklahomahistory.net/ttphotos8a/Gilsonite_OK_1900.jpg Lists Alhambra as a town. Keep until further evidence of it not being a town. DannonCool (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. That fairly rubbish and imprecise small scale map gives this name and a rough circle.  That's entirely consistent with this being a post office.  Post offices aren't towns, and don't imply towns.  So the burden of proof remains on you to actually come up with something that isn't an ambiguous dot or circle on a crappy map. You'd need something like John Wesley Morris's Ghost Towns of Oklahoma to support your contention that this is a ghost town in Oklahoma.  But you don't have it because it isn't in there. Uncle G (talk) 10:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This former locale is only notable at a local level. TH1980 (talk) 04:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * an "enterprising village" making "no pretentions to incorporation" in 1898. Beyond that, an announcement that the postmastership at Alhambra was vacant in 1897 and that only a Republican would be allowed to fill it, and a statement from the 1890s that some sort of special sand could be found near Alhambra, Tishomingo, and Sylvan; and that some Confederate veterans had an Alhambra address in 1899 are about all that I can find. For a better map, see this; Alhambra is near the top of the map below the "T" in Topographic Sheet. Pennington Creek itself is likely notable; see, , etc. but Alhambra doesn't warrant a standalone article and based on the very sparse coverage that I can find wouldn't muster much more than a brief mention in another article. is better with sorting out information for bodies of water than I am though; I have better luck finding information on human history than natural history myself. Hog Farm Talk 01:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I just go where the Geological Surveys's reports lead. &#9786;  Kentucky is easy, because I even have authorities saying that the human geography follows the physical geography.  Oklahoma is a different kettle of fish, and at first glance the OGS doesn't really give much of a clue how Oklahoma is best addressed, especially how it is best addressed before it was even a state and had a state geologist and the place that you have maps of is in fact the Chickasaw Nation Indian Territory.  Moreover the contemporary USGS survey, which is what one has to resort to, is all about allotment.  There's no history of the C.N. that covers this post office that I can find, and commercial shipping directories for the post office say Chickasaw Nation.  The Alhambra post office wasn't even in Oklahoma at any point of its existence.  This is a borderline hoax.  There is no and never was a Alhambra, Oklahoma; and the Alhambra, Chickasaw Nation is not documented outside of post office listings.  Uncle G (talk) 04:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * To make myself clearer - delete Alhambra. I think an article on Pennington Creek could be fleshed out, but that's a different discussion for another time. Hog Farm Talk 18:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - We don't keep until somebody proves a place doesn't exist. We don't create articles until substantial, reliable sources prove that it does. Fails GNG for lack of sources. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 18:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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