Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Adel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Ali Adel

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

I think it can be deleted speedily but it's rejected, I wrote a long explanation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ali_Adel&oldid=1095987208 reason for rejection may be because admin did not see this long explanation as it was removed by someone else after Cantthinkausernamenow (talk) 19:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Egypt. Shellwood (talk) 19:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is an Arab Actor. there are not many references to "articles" or television interviews in English because this Actor from Egypt. TV actor Ali Adel has Arabic articles on trusted sites and is subject to the censorship of the fake news checker website, as well as his accounts on all social networking sites it have the blue verification badge "please search about that If you would like." There are a lot of Arab actors, singers, poets, writers and doctors who don't have English resources but they do have Wikipedia articles in English. Do you want to delete them all too! I believe you want vandalism the article of TV actor Ali Adel and also you put a warning that deleted the article on the pretext that there are 3 references that do not work! This is not reasons for delete all the article.the administrators here rejected this  deletion of the article.there is no relation to the series “Maryam” with the actor Ali.
 * Correct before on July 16, 2018 at this IP address 109.161.146.127 create article about the footballer Ali Adel which his name is same Actor Ali Adel, after that on July 20, 2018 the administration deleted the articles for the footballer Ali Adel because the article Not eligible to be on Wikipedia. In February 15, 2019 user called create new Articles for ACTOR ALI ADEL with all References and everything is going well. Which all this information is on "Official Log for Wikipedia"
 * Note:The claim you made is not true. Please refer to the article log and you will see.
 * I hope the admin close this discussion for delete this article because there is no issue with the article. I have edit the References that is not working. I vote speedy keep, due to no clear rational given for deletion. Thanks Entertainmentlovers (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete despite the obvious sock nomination. The sources are press releases masquerading as journalism and it's pretty telling when there's no evidence he's popular in the Indian movie scene that the only sources about him are from India and not, you know, Egypt or other Arabic sources. PRAXIDICAE🌈 11:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I search about it There are lots of news articles about him in Arabic Language as well English
 * https://cloutnews.com/a-combination-of-creativity-and-sheer-talent-is-what-describes-actor-ali-adel-the-best/
 * https://www.albawabhnews.com/show.aspx?id=3460311
 * https://www.akhbarelyom.com/news/newdetails/2794321/1
 * http://www.akhbarak.net/articles/35733435
 * https://www.elfagr.com/3436836
 * https://www.e3lam.com/394627/
 * https://www.gomhuriaonline.com/Gomhuria/331191.html
 * https://arabwindow.net/artists/news79844.html
 * http://www.alsadaranews.com/culture/news68548.html Entertainmentlovers (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * How can I say this more clearly: no. There is not a single reliable source about this person and your attempt to spam yourself xwiki is going to fail. PRAXIDICAE🌈 12:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * His IMDb
 * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9887282
 * This strong site is from his Region
 * https://www.elcinema.com/person/2138179
 * no one can create or edit the information. Entertainmentlovers (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * that's not even close to being true, but ok. PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * no one can create or edit the information. Entertainmentlovers (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * that's not even close to being true, but ok. PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable person. Also, he uses the name of a character who participated in the Bab Al-Hara series; Adel Ali. Above article deleted twice before on arwiki here (it seems an article hijack, as the initial article about Qatari football player). FYI فيصل. Best -- Alaa )..! 16:26, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Person you mentioned the Qatari football is Adel Jadoua Ali and this is article his https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel_Jadoua_Ali, not his name Ali Adel . Correct before on July 16, 2018 at this IP address 109.161.146.127 create article about the footballer Ali Adel which his name is same Actor Ali Adel, after that on July 20, 2018 the administration deleted the articles for the footballer Ali Adel because the article Not eligible to be on Wikipedia. In February 15, 2019 user called create new Articles for ACTOR ALI ADEL with all References and everything is going well. Which all this information is on "Official Log for Wikipedia" Entertainmentlovers (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete and I'll also be going into Bastard Helper From Hell mode.
 * We can't use https://cloutnews.com/a-combination-of-creativity-and-sheer-talent-is-what-describes-actor-ali-adel-the-best/ (No editorial oversight) "cloutnews.com does not make any warranties about the completeness, reliability, and accuracy of this information", from their disclaimer.
 * https://www.albawabhnews.com/3460311 is useless for notability (too sparse). The entire article is paraphrasing stuff he's said.
 * https://akhbarelyom.com/news/newdetails/2794321/1 has been discussed and dismissed; it's a carbon-copy, even via automated translation, of the Albawabhnews.com source.
 * The Akhbarak.net source is 404-compliant.
 * https://www.elfagr.org/3436836 has been discussed and dismissed, it's another copy of the Albawabhnews.com source. This also means the Albawabhnews.com source is more likely than not churnalism and is straight-up unusable.
 * https://www.e3lam.com/394627/ is yet another copy of the Albawabhnews source.
 * https://www.gomhuriaonline.com/Gomhuria/331191.html is yet another copy of the Albawabhnews source.
 * We can't use https://arabwindow.net/artists/news79844.html (unknown provenance). Role byline; who actually wrote this?
 * We can't use https://www.alsadaranews.com/culture/news68548.html (unknown provenance). Again, role byline.
 * IMDb is never an acceptable source (no editorial oversight).
 * We can't use https://www.elcinema.com/person/2138179 (too sparse). Content-free profile.
 * We can't use https://photogallery.indiatimes.com/Egyptian-actor-Ali-Adel-looking-to-work-in-Bollywood-movies/articleshow/68166564.cms (too sparse). Photo gallery with no substantial text. We also consider the Times of India to be borderline useless as a source due to its more tabloidal nature.
 * We can't use https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ali-adel-talks-acting-journey-183651656.html (unknown provenance). Role byline.
 * We can't use https://news.abplive.com/news/present-time-is-certainly-good-phase-for-aspiring-newcomers-says-artist-ali-adel-942436/amp (unknown provenance). Role byline.
 * We can't use https://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/hollywood-news/article/ali-adel-the-international-star-comes-from-humble-beginnings-22982226 (No editorial oversight/unknown provenance). Clearly labeled as "partnered content", which is a more politically correct way to say "We were paid money to run this piece as-is, without allowing our editors to touch it".
 * None of the sources provided - whether proffered above or on the article proper - are usable in any form. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And I will provide an addendum: A Google search (string: ["ali adel" actor]) returns absolutely nothing we can cite. The chance of this article being kept is infinitesimal at best. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Per Jéské Couriano.--فيصل (talk) 19:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * keepHi My Name is Ali Adel I'm Actor from Bahrain. Actually my sister is contact me to tells me that my wikipedia articles is will begin deleted on wikipedia. I was shocked by this matter because this information is real and there is no tampering with it and the article has never been changed. I do not know how to change or modify the site because I am not an editor here. I created an account now and I didn't know about this topic
 * The person who marked it, created his account and put a delete mark and then deleted his account from Wikipedia. This violated the policy of deleting the article. I think he just wants to delete an article by deliberately vandalism it or a nomination for deletion in exchange for revenge. He must first specify a clear and explicit reason why he should delete the article.
 * I am an actor, not a liar, and yes, I respect all Wikipedia policies As you know, I have no influence on keeping my article, which really helps me in my job and shows the producers/companies in my region/country. These words are not out of sympathy to keep the article or not.
 * I hope the specialists here If they see the article log and you will see that the mentioned player has an article in his name separate from me.
 * Thank to all editors who They are working on editing my article and fix the sources. Aliadelbh (talk) 19:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If this sob story is intended to persuade people, it is doomed to fail. Having an article about a living person that is this badly sourced is a liability for both Wikipedia and anyone who's ever edited the article in the first place. At this point it doesn't matter who filed the AfD - if I had seen this in the state it's in presently I would have filed an AfD myself. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: there's a socking above. Also in edits deleted (see page history) -- Alaa )..! 06:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The imdb page is real and officially it's not fake as you claim. The links to the sources that were present are not working because the site where the sources are has been changed
 * Most of the sites have been maintained, but the sources are working. You can go to this sites and verify for yourself, "I mean, there has been a change in the source link."As for the article being changed from Qatari player Adel Jadoua Ali to TV actor Ali Adel, this is not true at all. Please refer to the article’s log page and you will see with your own eyes this article is originally created to Actor Ali Adel at February 12, 2019. The footballer Adel Jadoua Ali his article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel_Jadoua_Ali Finally, as for Maryam's film, how do you know who the Actor who participated in the film is or not? This is not evidence of Ali Adel being placed in the film. The entire article should be deleted. This is not an explicit and clear reason. Entertainmentlovers (talk) 07:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nowhere did I claim that the IMDb source was "fake" - but it looks like someone's been dinking with it very recently, emphasising why we don't treat IMDb as a usable source. Generally when someone is going through the trouble to attempt to manipulate sources by directly or indirectly editing them during an AfD, those sources are considered to be completely and utterly worthless and the article they're attached to does not survive their AfD. On that note, what is your connexion to Adel and to Aliadelbh? Something reeks here, and I aim to get to the bottom of it. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 07:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I do claim it, IMDb profile is entirely fake. It's created around the same time they started to "hijack" articles here and arwiki and make some so called press sources (all same press releases published with money as you correctly determined in your analysis above)
 * Nothing on IMDb profile is true, creating a fully fake IMDb profile is the easiest thing in the world.
 * All the reason for these fake IMDb and wiki profiles, and paid fake articles were deceiving Instagram and Twitter to get blue badge by showing them these fake sources and making them think he's really a famous actor when he's not. And they were able to do that deception it seems. I also reported it to both Instagram and Twitter. If someone knows a better way to report this to them, please do it.
 * And you don't need to look too far to see the sock connections. Entertainmentlovers and Aliadelbh are same person, which is sock of this banned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tommyjacklovesport
 * Other names to check:
 * User:Amrwardy1990
 * User:Orlandofoster
 * User:GermanKity
 * Socks still not banned:
 * User:SMSJofficial57
 * User:Locoman2021
 * All part of a paid editing socks network. You can be sure there are dozens more accounts. Cantthinkausernamenow (talk) 10:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @CantthinkausernamenowThe account you are writing from appears to be duplicated. I do not trust the way you talk because you have been here less than 6 days.  Even the false allegations you make are unfounded. I do not know Ali Adel personally. You created the account intentionally to vandalism the article of the actor Ali Adel. You prove from your words that you want to hurt this actor and you mean to hurt him even on other platforms We are only talking about Wikipedia here. You say that this article was stolen from the Qatari player, Adel Jadoua Ali, and this claim is also false. You should review the article's log page. Entertainmentlovers (talk) 11:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have checked the edits you have made here and you said that Actress Haya Maraachli is fake too this is false claim. If I do not know this public figure, this is not a criterion for deleting the article You say that Ali Adel and Haya Marachli both fake. Colleagues editors here give you the evidence and you say don't believe it. Remember that nothing here goes to your mine, every thing will evaluating the entire situation from Wikipedia and the community. Please don't speak like you're a judge or a policeman and hold people accountable. I do not have a relationship with Ali Adel or anyone else. if someone came here and said to write anything the amendment of the article or anything else you say is with me or follow me. Cantthinkausernamenow Entertainmentlovers (talk) 14:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you stop bludgeoning the AFD? PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And you're a single-purpose account whose raison d'etre appears to be promoting Ali Adel. Again, who filed the AfD at this point is irrelevant as any reasonable editor would have done so regardless. I note that you're conspicuously avoiding discussing the sourcing except to make WP:WAX arguments, which implies you have no real answer to the assessment and search results. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 04:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jéské Couriano
 * I did not create a new account to defend Ali Adel, why did l create an new account and I have one account here. I also know that you will say that you don't want anyone here defending the article.  It is my personal right to say what I say here and I am committed to the policy of Wikipedia.  I did not against you or against anyone. Now you want to say that I made a new account?  I don't know you Personal to fight with you.  You have an opinion and I respect it and I have my opinion because this actor I don't know personally, I just love him as an actor.  He is from the Middle East and North Africa and presented television roles with a constellation of his colleagues Actors and Actress. Entertainmentlovers (talk) 07:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do not put words in my muzzle. Defending an article's existence at AfD is one thing. Attempting to filibuster in its favour is quite another. I've already filed the relevant sockpuppet investigation, and will let the checkusers do the talking on that front. You're still a single-purpose account regardless of how the SPI shakes out, for the reasons I described above. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 10:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Jéské Couriano
 * I have previously provided you with evidence, the most powerful reference, elcinema.com, the most famous source in the Middle East. No one can create or modify a personal file (i mean no one can create a personal file without clear representation evidence from the director of the series or film from the production company) https://elcinema.com/person/2138179 Entertainmentlovers (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean the exact same elcinema source that says pretty much jack about the subject, being nothing but a content-free profile that has nothing worthwhile to cite? I may not be able to read Arabic without automated translation, but I can tell just from the amount of text that is there that elcinema is useless as a source. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 10:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jéské Couriano he's lying as usual, every page on that site has an Edit button. Everyone can edit and add anything. I know countless of fake profiles and data on that site. Cantthinkausernamenow (talk) 12:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jéské Couriano he's lying as usual, every page on that site has an Edit button. Everyone can edit and add anything. I know countless of fake profiles and data on that site. Cantthinkausernamenow (talk) 12:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * CU note I have struck through a comment above made by a confirmed sock of Entertainmentlovers, who is blocked for a week. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Praxidicae and Jéské Couriano's analyses are convincing. My own searches finds nothing helpful. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


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