Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Ekber Çiçek


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Ali Ekber Çiçek

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Delete: as non-notable musician. Quis separabit? 12:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  15:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Keep. He was important in the development of modern Turkish protest music. E.g. http://www.turkishclass.com/columns/thehandsom/2013/06/29/protest-music-after-the-coup-songs-that-changed-our-lives Albums are reviewed by known sources. http://www.worldlibrary.org/article/WHEBN0005508985/Ali%20Ekber%20Çiçek (content from World Heritage Encylopedia). Much discussion of his work in academic discussions of Turkish folk music. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/834293?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21106157672751 http://www.j-humansciences.com/ojs/index.php/IJHS/article/view/1475  http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/23758171?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21106157672751  https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=TIfweHsRWu0C&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=%22ALI+EKBER+ÇIÇEK%22+folk+music&ots=JcfE27rYal&sig=UxchvzXVtQ7eFPhgIzPRKQ_OWWU#v=onepage&q&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross-c (talk • contribs) 20:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC) Ross-c (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


 * a): this link consists of a mention of his name with almost a dozen other musicians ("On the other hand Âşık İhsani, Mahzuni Şerif, Nesimi Çimen, Davut Sulari, Muhlis Akarsu, Ali Ekber Çiçek, Sümeyra Çakır, Neşet Ertaş, Arif Sağ, Musa Eroğlu and Yavuz Top planted the seeds of ´modern protest music´ by blending the traditional motives in Western forms.")
 * b): this link consists of a brief profile, with nothing indicating sufficient notability for an encyclopaedia article
 * c): this JSTOR link is paywalled
 * d): this link does not even mention Ali Ekber Çiçek
 * e) : this JSTOR link is paywalled
 * f) : this link to google.books.com shows a list of references to Ali Ekber Çiçek, some in English, most in Turkish, could provide a colorable claim to notability albeit not in the article as it currently exists Quis separabit?  23:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As per wikipedia guidelines, sources do not have to be available online WP:GNG, let alone not behind paywalls. Hence, you can't just dismiss my references like that. BTW: Google summaries of those articles mention Ali, which is why I chose them. Also, the article that you say does not mention Ali does, on the page numbered 1576. The article that you say is a brief profile with nothing indicating sufficient notability mentions ""What did I do!" The song is often considered the pinnacle of symphonic Turkish folk music." This is indicating that the song is notable. If Ali has had a song on any national music chart, then that makes him notable WP:MUSBIO. Given his musical history as per my references, this is incredibly likely, though Turkish chart history is not available online. The sum total of the references not only show multiple mentions of Çiçek in reliable media, but also gives him a notable role in the development of Turkish protest music post coup. Hence, I note your points, but feel that my references do establish notability and therefore that the article should not be deleted. Ross-c (talk) 06:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep I'm convinced by the above sources (and hopefully thewy will be added to the article) that he meets WP:MUSICBIO. Boleyn (talk) 11:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * keep. This JSTOR article, while not thorough, devotes about a page in total to Çiçek (also spelled Çiçik- other variants may exist and yield more sources), calling Çiçek a master virtuoso of the Bağlama and "Of these [other virtuosos], Cicek was one of the first to engage in compositional activity while experimenting with new approaches to the refashioning of indigenous repertory" thus it is very likely other sources exist in folk music encyclopedias, scholarly or popular books. By no means do sources need to be online, free, or even English. --Animalparty-- (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * for what its worth, Ethnomusicological Encounters with Music and Musicians devotes several pages (at least) to Çiçek. If you want to read page 197, buy the book :) --Animalparty-- (talk) 05:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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