Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Morshedi (chess player)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete as the product of an LTA. If someone wants to take responsibility for the content I am happy to send it to them. Primefac (talk) 18:03, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Ali Morshedi (chess player)

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No indication in the article that the subject is notable as a chess player. The chess titles run Grandmaster (chess), International Master, FIDE Master, with FIDE Master being the lowest. FMs are much better chess players than most, but are not at the top so normally FM is not considered notable enough in itself for a biography unless the player is distinguished as a chess prodigy, chess writer or theoretician or has won a significant tournament or match. Quale (talk) 22:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. &mdash;  Rhododendrites  talk \\ 22:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Doesn't seem to pass WP:BIO &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 22:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:58, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

thus meeting WP:CHESS.66ali66 (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Played in an chess player game per
 * 1) FIDE
 * 2) chess-db
 * 3) chess.com
 * 4) 365chess
 * 5) chesstempo
 * I understand your point, but I don't see it that way. Those sources are really directory entries, and don't say anything significant about the subject.  Inclusion in a chess games database that attempts to include every recorded game played doesn't indicate notability.  I should have mentioned in the nomination that in April 2020 there are about 8127 FIDE Masters worldwide.  There are about 1714 Grandmasters alive today, and at least some members of WP:CHESS don't consider the GM title to be automatically notable.  That's not to mention the 3874 International Masters that are in between the FM and GM title. Quale (talk) 23:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * So delete these other articles as well.

66ali66 (talk) 23:15, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Herbert Avram
 * 2) Boris Baczynsky
 * 3) Newell W. Banks
 * Delete Fails WP:NCHESS. The article is wildly inaccurate, claiming he became a Grandmaster in 2012, which is untrue, and that he is ranked 777 in the world (in fact he is ranked 777 among active players in the Americas. P-K3 (talk) 23:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:BIO. No conventional reliable sources are cited.  In addition to the howlers mentioned above, the article claims that he is a "great chess" master, where "great chess" redirects to Tamerlane chess, but no cited source supports that he is a master at Tamerlane chess, or that he even plays Tamerlane chess, or that Tamerlane chess even has masters.  Bruce leverett (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The articles about Herbert Avram, Boris Baczynsky, and Newell Banks are irrelevant to the discussion of Ali Morshedi. Every article stands or falls on its own merit.  If an editor thinks that any of those three articles is insufficiently notable, he may propose it for deletion.  Bruce leverett (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This is of course the other stuff exists argument, which has never been accepted as valid in deletion discussions. That said, the essay is often misused to dismiss arguments derived from precedent and consensus. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 03:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Doesn't seem to meet the bar for notability, even by the strictly unofficial WP:NCHESS standards. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 03:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Play in an chess player game WP:CHESS,WP:BIO.Joueur d&#39;échecs (talk) 03:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know who the original sockmaster is but given the overlap of articles edited this looks very much like a sock of the globally blocked user User:%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AA%D8%A7_%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%B8%D9%85%DB%8C. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC) Edit: Previous socks of this editor are listed at Sockpuppet_investigations/%D9%85%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D9%85%D9%87%D8%B1%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%A7/Archive, and there have been more recently. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * KeepWP:CHESS.Nabav145 (talk) 14:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To those new users showing up to say keep: this is not a vote. New users showing up just to say keep makes it more likely the article will be deleted because it's about strength of arguments (and lots of people signing up just to say keep makes it seem like the arguments to keep are so poor that people must resort to meatpuppetry/sockpuppetry). If you really want the article to be kept, link to reliable sources which provide in-depth coverage of this person. That's all that really matters. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 14:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * speedy delete yet another stupid hoax by an xwiki lta. Praxidicae (talk) 17:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


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