Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Munif Ashmar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I agree that this does not meet WP:SOLDIER. Nor do I see coverage that takes this past ONEEVENT. Randykitty (talk) 12:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Ali Munif Ashmar

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Non-notable person, extremely biased sources, POV language. Baatarsaikan (talk) 20:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep: I'm a minor contributor who made some clean ups. The article is tagged for checking the neutrality and it should be discussed in the article talk page (not here). The article is notable per WP:SOLDIER and as you know he was named as the hero of the self-sacrifice operation in a press conference by Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, the third Secretary General of the Hezbollah. Mhhossein (talk) 07:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Second about notability: I am an inexperience user but I know in WP:SOLDIER is written: ''5. Played an important role in a significant military event'' according to this phrase Ali Munif Ashmar is notable. Also there are many Third-party sources about him and I guess if you can read Hebrew, you find the news about him in Israel news.I am creator of this article.Hananeh.M.h (talk) 08:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep:At first about POV language: This is not a reason for deletion. This is editable.Problem with neutrality is not a suitable reason for such a nomination!. using of the phrase Zionist soldiers just was a Carelessness. I edited that and changed to Israel soldier and about self-sacrifice I am trying to find suitable phrase.
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 * Speedy Delete - Non-notable suicide bomber martyr; article is wholly anti-Semitic bigotry; sources are Islamist propaganda outlets. While waiting for deletion, have redirected article to Suicide attack.--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You do not redirect an article in the mids of an AfD. If the notability concerns you bring it up at the article talk page until this AfD is completed.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep POV concerns are not settled via an AfD it is solved by discussions at the article talk page. It also passes per WP:SOLDIER.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it fails WP:Soldier, completely and utterly. To start with, "In general, an individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources." But there are no reliable sources, let alone significant or independently verifiable ones. Next... (quoting WP:Soldier's requirements verbatim):
 * ''In particular, individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they:
 * ''1. Were awarded their nation's highest award for valour; or
 * ''2. Were awarded their nation's second-highest award for valour (such as the Navy Cross) multiple times; or
 * ''3. Held a rank considered to be a flag, general or air officer, or their historical equivalents; or
 * ''4. Held the top-level military command position of their nation's armed forces (such as Chief of the General Staff), or of a department thereof; or
 * ''5. Played an important role in a significant military event; or
 * ''6. Commanded a substantial body of troops in combat; or
 * ''7. Made a material contribution to military science that is indisputably attributed to them; or
 * ''8. Were the undisputed inventor of a form of military technology which significantly changed the nature of or conduct of war; or
 * 9. Were recognized by their peers as an authoritative source on military matters/writing.
 * Ashmar fails to meet any of these.--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete fails to meet any of the notability guidelines for a soldier. Even if he did, the article is way too biased to preserve as is, and deserves to be blown up and started over at the least.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per JPL and WP:BIO1E. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Notability General notability guideline: "Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.Hananeh.M.h (talk) 06:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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