Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali O'Shea


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The result was   Nomination Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) D ARTH P ANDA duel 04:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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The article for this fictional character of the soap opera Fair City has no references in secondary sources whatsoever, and therefore I don't believe it meets any criteria for notability. I'd suggest a merge, but as there's nothing cited in Reliable sources, I don't think there's anything to be merged. Raven1977 (talk) 06:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn for all articles. I'll pursue merge/redirect discussions instead. Please someone feel free to close this; I don't know how or I'd do it myself. Thanks. Raven1977 (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating the following additional characters because they all have the same problem: Lack of secondary sources, therefore no evidence of meeting notability criteria:
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 06:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 06:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Articles for deletion/Rachel Brennan and Articles for deletion/Tim Carney are active and the discussion should be held in here. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to the List of Fair City characters and merge anything that is salvageable (read: verifiable). - Mgm|(talk) 09:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Next time, please nominate in smaller batches. It takes far too much time to go through every entry you nominated here and that might either put people off or lead to uninformed decisions. - Mgm|(talk) 09:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Procedural close on the grounds that, as noted by MacGyverMagic, this is just too big a batch nomination. In addition, it has been noted that two of the batched nominations are already subject to current AFD discussion. It may well be that, especially given this TV show's status as award-winning (per the article) any number of these characters -- or even all of them -- may well be notable enough in their particular market to warrant individual articles. But as presented I agree the danger here is WP:OSTRICH may occur. No prejudice against renomination and I'm not saying the whole lot need to be done one at a time, but at least give us batches of 10 so it's easier to go through them and make sure that the Irish soap opera equivalent of James T. Kirk hasn't been snuck in here. At the very least a renom is needed to remove the duplicated AFDs. 23skidoo (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Close and try to sort out the more significant characters, & improve those articles; and meanwhile merge the others to a list with one paragraph descriptions. This is asserted to be the most important soap opera in Ireland, so some of the characters may be notable--but all of them would be worth a redirect at the very least. No reason given why a redirect or merge would be unsuitable. I point out that while verifiable content requires sources, it doesn't require third party sources or secondary sources for material that can be derived from the show itself without OR./ DGG (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question None of the above articles have any sources, except in certain cases the website for the television show is listed. Since that was the case, I didn't think there would be a problem batching them together like this. I disagree that these articles don't need secondary sources, according to the notability criteria, all articles need secondary, reliable sources in order to establish notability. I saw the fiction proposal, but it's not guideline status yet, so I think the general notability guidelines apply here, yes? My reason given why a merge is unsuitable is because there's no verifiable content in my opinion to be merged, since there's no citations. I have no problem with a redirect, but I have no faith that if I had simply done that, those redirects would stay; which is why I brought them here. Besides that, the question becomes where to redirect? There's a list article for the characters, storylines article and of course an article for the show itself. But if people don't feel comfortable discussing a list of nominations together (I thought batch noms were preferred to nominating each one separately??), then feel free to close this, and I'll start over. Raven1977 (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy close — I have to side with the above comments; it's just too big a bundle. At the least they should be split up into smaller groups and renominated as such. This is also tl;dr for users and too long for users to sift through every article to see if they all should be deleted. MuZemike  ( talk ) 19:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.