Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali R. Jaber


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was procedural close. Article was deleted by User:Fastily per criteria WP:G7 as detailed at WP:SPEEDY (non-admin closure).. 4meter4 (talk) 19:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Ali R. Jaber

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This article is cited entirely to paid-for press releases; all of the sources are clearly marked as such and many of them are identical in content, despite being hosted on different websites. I have done a WP:BEFORE search and failed to find a single reliable source about him so WP:GNG is failed considerably. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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keep he is popular in Lebanon. Lots of references in Arabic I can share. https://sadaalwatan.com/منظمة-كير-تشكو-كلية-هنري-فورد-وأحد/, https://www.pressandguide.com/news/dearborn-heights-man-claims-henry-ford-college-professor-launched-islamophobic-rant-during-class/article_083bf8c8-06fe-11ea-8919-2ff0255ba758.html, https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2019/11/12/henry-ford-college-student-says-prof-launched-islamophobic-rant/2567961001/, https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/henry-ford-college-student-claims-professor-went-on-islamophobic-rant, https://www.macombdaily.com/news/dearborn-heights-man-claims-henry-ford-college-professor-launched-islamophobic-rant-during-class/article_bb54e587-9cbc-5518-9af0-5e2c8ce584e4.html., https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/23697/i_felt_threatened_by_dearborn_instructor_s_rant_henry_ford_college_student_says, https://mirrornews.hfcc.edu/news/2019/12-02/instructor-accused-islamophobia, https://www.downriversundaytimes.com/2019/11/15/hfc-student-claims-professor-made-islamophobic-remarks-to-him/, https://www.theoaklandpress.com/news/dearborn-heights-man-claims-henry-ford-college-professor-launched-islamophobic-rant-during-class/article_aa345352-52e1-53e2-b5d1-bd67767d4a8a.html Pagnotto (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

keep I do not see anything promotional and I see many verifiable sources cited. We must express our thoughts fairly. Nothing here is being sold, promoted and or advertised.Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 03:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC) Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 02:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC) http://nabatieh.org/news.php?go=fullnews&newsid=31389 — Lebtimes (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 23:27, 7 June 2021‎ (UTC).
 * Delete: Press releases and being talked about in local papers for launching a complaint against a professor do not show how the individual is notable. ... disco spinster   talk  00:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per Spiderone and Discospinster, though if this is staying, TNT it. AdoTang (talk) 02:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I fixed the unsigned comment. Sorry, I am still a new editor and I am learning. I hope to become a well known editor on Wikipedia. Thanks to one user who told me about signing with comments.

I would like to mention that I do not understand why we should nominate articles for deletion just because they are articles that are not important to us? User Spiderone has multiple articles that he published about Indian sportsmen with broken links and which seem ultimately promotional articles. As Lebanese journalist from Jounieh, Lebanon I and many other Lebanese and non Lebanese journalists have interest in researching notable people on Wikipedia. This website is the ultimate online encyclopedia. In this particular article I found nothing promotional compared to your articles Spiderone. This article has many verifiable sources of an incident that happened and what happened after the incident. When Lebanese and non Lebanese editors or journalists as myself want to get information about this person we come to Wikipedia. This person is known in Lebanon and everyone has a right to research information about him on Wikipedia for journalism and non journalism purposes. Some of these users are not giving valid explanations as to why this article should be deleted? There are multiple verifiable sources listed above and if someone who is NOT notable to you it doesn't mean they are not notable to other's. Non of you are Lebanese and I understand that. If discrimination stories seem irrelevant to you they are not to US and other minorities. This is like saying we shouldn't publish articles about African Americans, latinos, and LGBTQ, and Arabs. This is against what Wikipedia is about. Every notable human in any country deserves to have an article about them. One user on SPIDERONE's talk page mentioned that "just because one is on the Persian Wikipedia that doesn't mean that this person should be on the English version" this comment is clearly biased and it exhibits SPIDERONE's intentions for nominating articles about Arabic and Persian figures deleted. According to Spiderone "whether he has an article in Persian Wikipedia is irrelevant" This thinking should not be allowed on Wikipedia. I am so glad that I seen this article and I seen how some users think. In the name of equality, I ask for an admin to review this article and other similar articles. As a long time user SPIDERONE is also being backed by long time users in the nomination for deletion without reasoning. I will be sending emails to the Wikipedia board of directors and Gil Penchina. I will forward all this abuse that is happening on Wikipedia and the discrimination. When I joined this amazing online encyclopedia, I expected fair treatment and no discrimination. I joined with a mission of writing a book about ever notable Lebanese person that existed. These types of users are interfering with my mission and the mission of any other journalist. This is not the environment I expected.Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 03:22, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a completely unnecessary personal attack and an unfounded accusation of racism against me. That being said, if you feel that the Indian footballer articles that I have created are promotional and non-notable then please propose their deletion but may I please ask that you notify me when doing so. Whether or not a figure has an article in a foreign language Wikipedia is still irrelevant as a keep argument. WP:GNG is clear in its requirement for reliable sources covering the topic in depth which is ultimately failed here. There is clear consensus within the Wikipedia community that paid-for press content is not acceptable and doesn't make someone notable. This applies even to a White American or White European so the accusation of racism is ludicrous. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete paid for vanity spam sourced to blackhat SEO. BEACHIDICAE🌊  14:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

This is an attack on Lebanese people. I am Lebanese and Christian just so you know. We do not discriminate against religion in Lebanon. Nothing you are saying is correct. Check each source above and tell me how they are paid? This is not personal attack. The links in your references are broken. I checked each source in the above articles and it doesn't say paid. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. The links above are not paid. If they we're paid I would believe what you are saying. Something does not seem correct here. Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 15:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lebtimes (talk • contribs) 15:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I am done arguing with any of you. I came here to write a book about every notable Lebanese person that has ever lived. Instead, I am creating a report with evidence and screenshots to send to the Wikipedia board of directors and CEO. I have evidence already of a lot of biased behavior. Alot of you are going to hear from top administrators for making false claims. This guy cannot tell the difference between a non paid news article and a press release and he wants to give people direction. I'm done. Forget the book.Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 15:53, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It literally says "Sponsored: Advertising content" at Fox. All of the other references used had similar warnings. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I am mentioning the above references, in the talk page. I clicked on each one to verify what you are saying. It says information about his college incident. I did not find the word sponsored. Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 16:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I also found a news article in Arabic and linked it above in my first comment. I also seen an Arabic article linked by the author above as well. I understand that you do not speak Arabic but those are not sponsored. We know these news channels in Lebanon. Maybe the references need updating. I am not sure however the above articles are not sponsored. I checked them.Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 16:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It says "Sponsored: Advertising Content" just below the article date. If you want to write a book about Lebanese people that you consider notable, nobody is stopping you. However, Wikipedia has criteria for articles that this one simply does not meet. If he is so well known in Lebanon then there should be independent references showing that. The only one that has been presented is an Arabic-language translation of another article that is itself insufficient. ...  disco spinster   talk  16:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Again, I checked each article above on this talk page and not one of them said sponsored. You gave your insight yesterday and mentioned that they are not notable for filing a discrimination complaint. Discrimination does not mean anything to you, okay. Now you are copying Spiderone's words. Spiderone and I are dealing with it. Please stop interfering with irrelevance. Your input is not needed. You are saying the same thing Spiderone is saying. Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 16:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I strongly suggest that you read WP:BLP1E very carefully as well as WP:GNG. He is essentially mentioned in one minor news story which has been rehashed across various websites. The news event itself is not notable enough for an article nor is the individual that made the complaint. Also, as per WP:NOTNEWS, Even when an event is notable, individuals involved in it may not be. Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic. Coverage certainly doesn't extend beyond this one minor local news story. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, let's just have an administrator confirm everything. Leave it up to them. I am knew on Wikipedia and not an expert yet however, I am an honest person. He is very popular in Lebanon. We all know him. Before and after the incident. Let the Administrators decide. There are articles in Arabic Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 16:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Exactly as Spiderone and Discospinster said, that page does say "Sponsored: Advertising Content" just below the article date. No "honest person" can claim otherwise.  – Athaenara  ✉  18:10, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. No more notable than the average motivational speaker and digital marketer.  – Athaenara  ✉  17:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete All the paid press in the world still doesn't add up to notability. All that's left is a WP:BLP1E that appears to not have much coverage beyond local outlets. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

You are not the judge or jury to say who is honest and who is not. I am done arguing with anyone and I don't care what happens. Please go find something more important to do in life. I was nice to you and asked for guidance regarding rules and thing's I did not know and instead look at your behavior. You believe you are something important in life because of Wikipedia. You are not though! I as a journalist am more important than you, and he who is in the article is way more notable than you. You cannot come and say who is honest and who is not. Please go get a life and let it be. It stays oh well, it's deleted oh well. You made your point and now you are judging other people's honesty. Besides the online encyclopedia, you have no life, it is obvious. You want to be someone important in life but you are not and it is hurting you. Don't you dare call people dishonest for giving their opinion.Tony A. Al-halab Lebtimes 18:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Not much relevant data present in the article, doesn't appear notable to me.Aloolkaparatha (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong delete The sources are twitter, which is absolutely not reliable, and an interview with him, which in no way adds towards reliability. His claims of antagonism from a professor at the community college he attended are at best a BLP1E problem, but in general the coverage is from such local sources it seems to also violate the not news guideline. This person is not yet notable by any measurable criteria.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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