Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Sarmini


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The result was keep. -- RG2 01:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ali Sarmini

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Contested prod on a nn biography written by a SPA with COI - perhaps as an autobiography -several unsubstianted claims and no reliable sources. On my talk page, after accusing me of illiteracy, the SPA stated that his work was auctioned off and sold with a starting bid of US$200 million. If this can be shown in a reliable source, I'll withdraw this nom; if not, I will view it as further proof that the claims about this artist are hoaxes or greatly inflated. Carlossuarez46 17:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * DeletePer, it isn't a hoax. I am troubled by the lack of reliable B sources (I don't speak Russian).--Sethacus 19:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Like Sethacus, I don't have sufficient language skills to track too much on the internet, but there is evidence of his importance in certain circles. The current article is very incomplete, may be biased and needs more corroborative effort, but it should be given a chance. Regards, Lynbarn 21:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC) (Digging around, There are very few internet references I can find, and most seem to lead back to very few origins, so I can understand Carlossuarez46s concerns...) Lynbarn


 * Keep Prior to begin my review and protection of my article, I want to clarify two things:

1. For SANA’s report on that case, you should CAREFULLY read it again: “Director of the Russian Business and Management Group, Andreas Churkin announced that the painting will be auctioned at the end of August and its initial price will be USD 200 millions, and is expected to mount to one million dollars.”

“…stated that his work was auctioned off and sold with a starting bid of US$200 million.”

Who said it WAS auctioned? The report says it WILL BE auctioned, it doesn’t mean that auction really happened that time and it was sold.

"and is expected to mount to one million dollars"

What this phrase states?

2. Here are information on official representatives for Dr. Ali Sarmini:

info@arabiansymbol.com artem@bmg-rus.com +44 (0) 7886 670 502 - Mr. Artem Kravchenko (as I believe, representative of Russian Business and Management Group (http://bmg-rus.com)

For Carlossuare46, I should note that I do speak English, not abbreviations. What is “prod”, “nn”, “SPA” and “COI”?

In http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spa: “spa 1.	A health resort near a mineral spring or hot spring. 2.	A trendy or fashionable resort. 3.	A health club” Could you please state, which of these claims applies to me?

“perhaps as an autobiography” – the information taken to write an article was taken from few sources, including official painter’s site. Please, keep in mind that I am not affiliated with him in any legal nor relative form.

“several unsubstianted claims and no reliable sources” – what do you mean?

Let’s take a closer look to it: “Dr. Ali Sarmini is a world renowned Syrian painter” – atleast by having exhibitions in Germany and Russia, he is proven to be internationally known, as it’s not country-wise fame.

“best known for his work Quneitra on Remains painted on parts of an Israeli Air Force F-4 Phantom shot down over Syrian territories, in about 1972.” – well, if you care, you could contact the representatives, go to a place where the painting is being exposed and see on back of it that it’s made of israelian F-4 Phantom.

The biography is mostly taken from his site, as I do not posses any B data over than that, but once I will, I’ll gladly expand my article.

“Syrian president subsequently gifted one part to the USSRs ambasador to Syria, Nuratdin Muhitdinov, and another to US diplomat Henry Kissinger” – it is unknown if that this story was widely announced by press that time, but  as he is alive he probably posses this picture up now and the history of diplomatic relationship between Syria and U.S. should depict this episode. Unfortunately, I have not physical access to any of U.S. libraries to show you this part, but you could see it, if you wanted. --Shahinaz 23:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * According to http://www.uni-protokolle.de/nachrichten/id/25179/ (babelfished and corrected):

"Intercultural project Berlin - Damascus

07.11.2003 - Academy of art Berlin Weissensee

Guest stay of the Syrian painter Ali al Sarmini at the academy of art Berlin Weissensee/exhibition

..One of the important Syrian painters of the present, Professor Dr. Ali al Sarmini .."

".. is guest professor of the academy of art Berlin Weissensee. Ali al Sarmini was ten years long a rector of the School of the Fine arts in Damascus and studied as Senior Student in the 70's at the academy of art Berlin Weissensee four years..." --Shahinaz 01:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Additionally:

http://www.glgabriel.de/gl_biographie.html Site for german paintress G.L. Gabriel

"Participation with a single exhibition "Berlin Damascus, city landscapes" on invitation of the dean Professor Dr. Ali al Sarmini High School Faculty, University of Damascus in co-operation with the Goethe Institut, Damascus" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahinaz (talk • contribs) 01:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And

Babelmed in French

La Syrie à Paris - Syria in Paris (furtherly translated from French, by yours truly) (29/05/2006)

Information: Exposition: up to 5 June in Syrian Culture Center, 12 rue Tourville 75007, Paris Displayed painters are : ..Abd-Alsalam Abdalla, Ali Hussein, Ali Sarmini --Shahinaz 02:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep was already reasonably referenced at the time of the nomination with one piece from ITAR-TASS and another from Komsomolskaya Pravda, both of which discussed the subject and his work non-trivially (i.e. not just a passing mention of his name in a laundry list or a single paragraph). WP:COI is not a deletion criterion; there was barely any vanity language in there anyway (maybe "world-known" is stretching it, but the rest seemed very factual and straightforward). cab 23:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep based on the sourcing, (I note that he additionally is, Dean of the Faculty of Fine Arts, at the University of Damascus)DGG (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions.   —David Eppstein 15:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions.   —David Eppstein 15:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


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