Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice-Blue (color)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was No Consensus (2 keeps to 1 merge), but no delete votes were cast so relisting isn't necessary, so keep. R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 01:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Alice-Blue (color)

 * The following was created on October 5, but was not listed on AfD. -Nameneko 21:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

There is no useful information on this article and the colour shown is nothing like the "Alice Blue" shown in the Alice Roosevelt Longworth article. Zhatt 18:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment the ***colour*** in this article is as quoted on http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/colors/colors.asp  The  Alice Roosevelt Longworth article seems not to quote any source at all for its version of this ***colour*** . Tonywalton  | Talk 01:33, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete nn colour Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  22:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd never heard of this song - no objection to a Merge  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  02:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * ' Merge' to List of colors. The colour is notable as mentioned in a song dating from 1919 (with which my granny used to sing me to sleep. Ahhhh) . Tonywalton | Talk 01:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You can not merge to the list of colours. The list only lists colours that have aticles, so if you merge it, there is no more artivle to list. Zhatt  03:38, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point. Keep, then. Tonywalton  | Talk 15:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Alice Roosevelt Longworth and remove this image as per Tonywalton's source. Zhatt 23:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This color name was certainly notable in the late teens and twenties and has become one of the standard "named colors" used in web browsers. The difference between the color shown in the Alice Roosevelt Longworth article and the standard HTML (F0F8FF) given in this article is understandable. There was never a "precise definition" of the color, generally known as a light blue-gray, until it was used within a system such as HTML. Fabric dyers of the early 20th century probably just used whatever could pass for light blue-gray. Dystopos 17:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It should probably be renamed Alice Blue after the AfD, though. Dystopos 17:27, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've done some cleanup. Those who may have voted to delete because of the state of the article might want to take a second look. Dystopos 17:59, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand why this Alice Blue is not the same as this Alice Blue. Zhatt  23:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There's no reason they should be exactly the same. There's also no reason they should be different. Alice didn't provide the CMYK values of her gowns and so any light blue-gray is properly called "Alice Blue", except in the context of X11/HTML. Dystopos 23:42, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure that's appropriate, to be honest. As Dystopos says, prior to X11, HTML, and standardisation of all things, "Alice Blue" wouldn't have been anything defined to the one-in-sixteen-millionth part as it is now. Perhaps the Alice Longworth article (or rather the caption to the image) shouldn't state quite so categorically that this is "Alice Blue", is all. I'd ask my granny which one she thought was more "Alice Blue", but she passed away twenty-odd years ago. Tonywalton | Talk 22:28, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, we need to figure out if this is a real color or not. If it isn't, delete the article and reword the Alice Longworth article as not to hint that it is. If it is a color, than all information can be in the Alice Longworth article with the List of colors pointing there. Either way, this article does not need to be here. Zhatt  23:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Depends what you mean by a "real" colour. "Alice Blue" is certainly a "real" colour, per
 * the Longworth article,
 * its having been chosen as a colour name for browsers,
 * the early 20th century song,
 * my late granny.
 * Note however that the Microsoft reference I cited also names "official" colours like "linen", "blanched almond", "ghost white", "misty rose" and "brown". I'd defy anyone to say "those boots are not brown because they are not RGB #A52A2A", "that rose is not sufficiently misty according to the W3C colour definitions". or to find a ghost for comparison. There are two things here, really - a "real" (as in "named as such by browser suppliers") colour called "aliceblue" and a range of colours into which both these grey-blue colours fall. Perhaps the Longworth article shouldn't state categorically that "this is Alice Blue", but the issue we're voting on is whether or not to delete the Alice-Blue (color) article. My vote is above. Tonywalton  | Talk 23:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hum. You make a good point. I can admit when I'm wrong. Keep than. There was a rash of fake colors a while ago and I guess I was still on delete-colors-mode. Zhatt  23:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * At risk of further obfuscation, I recently did a comparison of four different ways that "Union Flag (Royal) Blue" is defined per "The Flag Institute" and a similar exercise regarding the specifications for "Crimson" used by Harvard University and the University of Alabama. In the big picture, there's no way to put up an image on Wikipedia and say "This is the color _____". Definitions vary by medium and use. Displays vary. Perceptions vary. What we DO know, is that "Alice Blue" is a notable concept, and was once much more notable than "Bondi blue" or "UPS brown". Dystopos 00:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.