Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice Baker (set decorator)


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Alice Baker (set decorator)

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My PROD rationale was: comprehensively fails WP:GNG. An Oscar nom for a minor category is not enough to automatically clear notability by any stretch. No non-trivial sources located on Google (books, news) or Highbeam.

Was de-PROD'ed with the rationale that she "still meets WP:ANYBIO", which is patently not true - ANYBIO requires either one win, or multiple nominations. A search through the Oscars database here shows that Baker only has a single nomination, so she fails ANYBIO in any case. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 22:44, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This is a BLP surely there must be some sources out there?
 * Keep Along with the Oscar nom, she has also had nom from the Art Directors Guild and a BAFTA nom in the same field.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:16, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete with only one source even close to being indepdent and reliable, clearly fails GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:36, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:ANYBIO. Oscar nom. Does not fail WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 23:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * GNG requires the existence of multiple in-depth sources on the subject - were you able to find any for Baker? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Oscar and Bafta nominations pass WP:ANYBIO and presume offline sources if not online Atlantic306 (talk) 19:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I think it's a mistake to claim that nominations at multiple award ceremonies for the same role is enough to pass WP:ANYBIO, especially when there's no information apart from those nominations. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 00:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 05:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I was able to add some reasonably good detail from several different reliable secondary sources reporting on the nature of her and her production design collaborator's contributions to the film--ETA: as well as her work on another notable film--so I tend to think in aggregate it passes muster. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per 's good point that the set decorator has received multiple nominations, when one looks beyond the Oscars. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:49, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Personally, I do generally try to avoid starting articles about behind-the-scenes film industry craftspeople (designers, cinematographers, etc.), because even if they do technically have Oscar or BAFTA or Canadian Screen Award nominations they very often (although admittedly not always) lack the kind of reliable source coverage about them that we normally require to support a Wikipedia article, and very often end up as permanent stubs that never say or source anything more than "subject is a person who got an Oscar nomination, the end". But while I'll admit that this was absolutely a pointless boilerplate "subject is a person who got an Oscar nomination, the end" at the time of the initial nomination, some effort has now been undertaken to make it better. So there's no longer any reason to delete it — as long as the article can actually be sourced to more than just the person's nominal inclusion in a list, a top-level film award nomination is enough for an ANYBIO pass. Bearcat (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep After the improvements that have been made, the article appears to pass WP:GNG. Lonehexagon (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


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