Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice Hyatt


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The result was   keep. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 05:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Alice Hyatt

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Alice Hyatt is not someone who has notability outside the film and show where she has appeared. She is covered enough in the articles on these, we do not need a stand alone biography for a person who has no assertion of notability. The article has had tages for improvement of soruces for 4 years and nothing has been done. John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Actually while it has a primary sources tag (from December 2007) the article itself lacks any sources at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Same problems with related articles that are unsourced, anecdotal and appear to be constructed on original research:
 * Perhaps they can be considered together. JNW (talk) 02:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they can be considered together. JNW (talk) 02:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they can be considered together. JNW (talk) 02:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I will try to add those. I have never done a multi-part AFD before. I generally avoid AFD because it has way too high a threshold for starting, which is probably why these unsourced pages have existed for years.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:41, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:41, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have added the other two. Castleberry's article does provide as a source the IMDB article on Alice, but that does not seem to be enough to establish notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:45, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unreferenced fictional characters - this belongs on the show wikia, not here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: There's no question the article needs work, as do many articles surrounding TV shows.  This is the main character in a highly notable TV show (one of the most popular sitcoms of the 70s/80s), albeit not a TV show from 2000s like One Tree Hill (TV series) where there are individual articles about a number of the key characters.  Roughly speaking, what I've seen from prior AfDs of this type is that the main character usually can support an article.  See Articles for deletion/Venus Flytrap (WKRP in Cincinnati) and Articles for deletion/Thelma Harper (2nd nomination) (Thelma being a pretty good example because like Alice, the character has appeared in more than one setting) for some examples.  Alice Hyatt is probably even a stronger candidate due to writing about her character in the context of gender studies.--Milowent • hasspoken  13:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment This article lacks any citations, and has had a note about this problem for over 5 years. This suggests no citations can be found.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the light of sources being available even if not used, it simply suggests WP:NOEFFORT.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep I confess the quality of the prose really prejudiced me against this, but the Google Books search provides citations; especially helpful is Martin Scorsese's America. In essence, the current article and those of the associated characters need to be sheared and reconstructed with acceptable sources, even if it means starting with stubs. JNW(talk) 03:45, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep the (now) stub article on this notable character and allow rebuilding over time and through editorial efforts. Thanks to User:JNW for the good-looking-out.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * NOTE: While i'ts not listed in the delsorts (why?), the article on the also iconic character of Florence Jean Castleberry is now also at AFD.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 04:29, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This should be discussed in a separate AfD, I strongly oppose merging that AfD into here. If no separate AfD is created, the AfD note should be removed fromthe FJC article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree... separate the AFD's.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 21:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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