Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice Koroma


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The result was Keep - INHERITED applies to arguments that someone's notable by connection to a notable person. The sources presented have convincingly demonstrated that that isn't the case here. Wily D 08:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Alice Koroma

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A sad death no doubt, but being the president's mother fails notability under WP:NOTINHERITED and being a city council member fails WP:POLITICIAN. WWGB (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 03:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 03:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - There is enough notability though this article will need to be improved, but nothing normal editing practices cannot fix. 1. She was a member of the political class particularly the All People's Congress, it was during this era the West African countries began to acquire independence from the European colonialists. 2. She was one of few African women of that era (though this part needs further verification). 3. She is a mother of a president. 4. the source cited are reliable secondary sources. She must have been considered notable enough for these sources to cover her death. I think we should be very careful and try and avoid systematic bias. I have seen many articles on English wikipedia about people have achieved nothing with their lives or contributed nothing to humanity apart from showing their tops and happened to live in the "1st World" with a group of admirers. Yet, people who lived in the so called "third world", who have contributed tireless to humanity, but happen to live on the wrong side of the fence cannot even get an article on English Wikipedia without it being PRODED or put on AfD. I think this is dangerous and I don't like it one bit. Yes, some articles deserve deletion and I will even press the deletion button myself, but there are many many more which don't, and those have been deleted, PRODED or put on AfD. Tamsier (talk) 07:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. This nomination has nothing to do with systematic bias, and I am surprised and disappointed that you played that card. It is irrelevant to the discussion whether Koroma comes from Africa, Asia or America. The same standards apply to every nomination. Decisions are based on guidelines, not geography. WWGB (talk) 14:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is no card played here. I have highlighted my reasons for keep (notability, reliable and verifiable sources). Systematic bias was a side issue, made in reference to the fact that, I have sat here and seen many African related articles brought to AfD or PRODed. Many of those articles (not all but many of them) have been proved notable enough. Sometimes all it takes is a citation with RS and copy editing or a check to establish notability. That is what I do whenever I come across these kind of articles, in order to improve the project (what it was originally meant for). It is very easy to nominate but rather difficult to write and find sources. I do not criticise your nomination based on what you think. You are more than welcome to nominate any article if you believe they've met the criteria for AfD. However, I think it is right for me to raise the point of systematic bias when the notability of some "1st World" articles are questionable at best and never brought to AfD.Tamsier (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, spot on. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 05:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Tamsier that this looks like WP:BIAS, but advise him to avoid WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments. She was the 2007 Woman of the Year and she has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources for an extended period of time, as this 2008 interview demonstrates. She easily passes WP:GNG. The amount of news coverage generated by her death ought to have been sufficient to demonstrate notability. Pburka (talk) 03:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Context: "Alice Koroma has reportedly received the Woman of the Year 2007 award at a ceremony organized by youth in Bombali district know as All friends production. Sierra Leone in Makeni over the weekend. The purpose of the award was reportedly to show appreciation for the tireless efforts undertaken by certain personalities to develop the district." The notability of this "award" is very dubious. WWGB (talk) 03:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The notability of the award is irrelevant for WP:GNG. All that's required is that she be written about in reliable sources. Pburka (talk) 03:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 14:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Here's another interview with the subject, this time from the BBC. Pburka (talk) 15:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I have added additional content and references - here, here and here. She's more notable than I originally thought she was. Tamsier (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge to Ernest Bai Koroma per WP:NOTINHERITED. She sounds like a good person, locally notable (city council member), but her only national notice is as the mother of the country's president. --MelanieN (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. I notice that we do not have articles about Ian Donald Cameron or Mary Fleur (parents of British prime minister David Cameron), or about John Ebenezer Brown or Jessie Elizabeth Souter Brown (parents of British prime minister Gordon Brown) or about Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa or Andrée Jeanne "Dadu" Mallah (parents of French president Nicolas Sarkozy). I point this out, not to play the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS game, but to respond to the concerns about systematic bias expressed above. --MelanieN (talk) 17:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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