Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice of Ibelin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Alice of Ibelin

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No apparent notability; the article is all about who her family was, not who she was or what she did. All Google Book search hits refer to Alix of Ibelin, a queen, except one that refers to the wife of Philip of Ibelin (1180–1227). Thus it appears that there is no significant coverage as defined by WP:SIGCOV. Deleting this article will enable us to move the one about the queen, who is a notable person, to this title, since she is the one who is called Alice of Ibelin, not Alix. Surtsicna (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a geneological database.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC) *Keep. (changed to redirect) English results are very scarce because she came from Kingdom of Cyprus (1374 circa). She was essentially the queen of a major kingdom. Her other language search may have a bit more info. VocalIndia (talk) 22:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please have another look. She was not queen of anything. You are confusing her with a namesake who was indeed notable. There is no signiciant coverage in French- or Greek-language sources either. Surtsicna (talk) 10:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think she is really exist person as the second wife of John of Lusignan, regent of Cyprus. We should wait opinion from editors who have knowledge on the History of Cyprus. VocalIndia (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have knowledge of the history of the Kingdom of Cyprus. Historian do not write about this person. Surtsicna (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to John of Lusignan. They were real people, but the subject was a noblewoman by marriage; she was not actually queen of anything, and her father was a courtier. Bearian (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – I agree that there's no substantial coverage sufficient to meet WP:BASIC etc. While I'd ordinarily support a redirect, in this case I think it would do more harm than good: as noted above, "Alice of Ibelin" can refer to a number of other people, and this one likely isn't the primary topic. It may be preferable to either move one of the other Alices to this title or to make it a disambiguation page. But that can be discussed outside of this AfD: for now, the most prudent thing we can do is to free up this title. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


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