Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alida Gray


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus that additional info about judo career establish notability. Mojo Hand (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Alida Gray

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Non-notable MMA fighter. Peter Rehse (talk) 06:08, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Article and sources fail to establish notability as per WP:GNG and WP:NMMA. -Ad Orientem (talk) 07:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Her notability isn't established based on MMA. Her notability is based on being an Olympic Judo athlete.  Typically a person who is an olympic judo athlete is an automatic qualifier for notability. CrazyAces489 (talk) 08:10, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * She did fight for the World Series of Fighting Title . CrazyAces489 (talk) 07:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5] The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics).   — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyAces489 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * She was an alternate and did not compete at the olympics.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Being an olympic alternate means that person is top 2 in a nation at a weight class. That is highly notable. CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:18, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, Marisa Pedulla defeated Jo Anne Quiring in final match of that weight class (under 52 kg) at the 1996 trials.Mdtemp (talk) 18:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable as an MMA fighter. Not clear what being an  Olympic "alternate" means (see my comment above), but it's not enough to claim automatic notability.  There are no matches for "Alida Gray" at judoinside.com, which includes U.S. national championship events since 1953 and Olympic trials since 1992.  A search for Alida Gray (+judo, but without MMA or Aguilar or wiki) turns up an article on her as the Cal Poly softball shortstop in "SOFTBALL BEAT PLAYER SPOTLIGHT", which is not enough to show she meets WP:GNG. Mdtemp (talk) 18:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Based on discussion below I believe she meets WP:MANOTE.Mdtemp (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * commenthttp://wsof.com/news-view.php?id=126, http://www.graymma.com/index.php/alida-gray — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyAces489 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * She wasn't listed as one of the 1995 national champions (Jo Anne Quiring was) and I can't find any record of her at the world championships (although I could only find a listing of the top 8). I did find some records for a "Yvette Gray" at judoinside.com--could these be the same person?  I couldn't find any evidence of her using two names, but it appears Yvette would meet WP:MANOTE. Mdtemp (talk) 20:28, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Mdtemp, you are correct. Her name is Alida Yvette Gray.

Her record is shown as being. Date	Result	Judo Event	Comp. Cat.

03-May-1997	3	US National Championships Ft. Lauderdale	NC	U52

26-Mar-1997	1	Liberty Bell Judo Classic Philadelphia	IT	U52

09-Mar-1997	5	Czech Cup Prague	WCup	U52

13-Apr-1996	3	US National Championships San Jos� (Cal)	NC	U52

13-Jan-1996	3	US Olympic Trials	NT	U52

29-Apr-1995	2	US National Championships Indianapolis	NC	U52

09-Apr-1994	2	US National Championships Irvine	NC	U52

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Send date	1	US National Junior Olympics Scott Rice	NJC	U52 CrazyAces489 (talk) 00:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Criteria establishing notability should be in the article but in any case participation in the above events does not establish notability.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * comment those are the events she received a medal in. CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:39, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Please put the information in the article. Then the notability can be properly judged.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:44, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I meant the actual article - when articles (like this one) are proposed for deletion it is initially based on what the article does or does not contain.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Not notable for MMA, but clearly meets WP:MANOTE with four podium finishes at the U.S. national judo championships. Nice work by CrazyAces489 and Mdtemp. Papaursa (talk) 04:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 08:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep She meets WP:MANOTE. Drunk in Paris (talk) 23:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.