Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aliene Ma'riage


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Aliene Ma'riage

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Article fails WP:RS/WP:V and WP:MUSIC. - Cyrus XIII 18:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep There does seem to be some sources on google, such as . Epbr123 18:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: This article and a few Google hits do not satisfy Notability (music). - Cyrus XIII 19:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It satisfies WP:N though. Epbr123 20:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * How so? - Cyrus XIII 22:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It has 4 or 5 reliable independent sources. Epbr123 23:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you be a bit more specific, which of all those fan-sites and self-published web pages would qualify as as reliable per WP:RS? - Cyrus XIII 09:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The 4 or 5 reliable independent sources stated as references which aren't from fan-sites and self-published web pages! Epbr123 09:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, how about this: I remove all citations that I deem unfit per WP:RS from the article and leave the burden of evidence to provide sources and argue their reliability to you and other editors. And please refrain from using more exclamation marks in the process, it is not very polite. - Cyrus XIII 21:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the references is from JaME, which seems to be an organization that provides information in an attempt to make Japanese music accessible to English speaking audiences. Another is a book which (to my limited Japanese) seems to cover Visual kei bands.  The other three appear to be fan or self-published sites. Pkeets 03:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This band has a fairly extensive article in Wikipedia, Japan, which (if I'm reading it correctly) says they're a prominent example of the genre. Good quality references on Japanese bands are hard to find in English. Pkeets 19:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: If other Wikipedia articles would constitute reliable sources, one could just create an extensive, yet completely uncited article on one incarnation of Wikipedia (like ja:Aliene Ma’riage, as it does not seem to reference any of its content) and then use it to ensure the notability of its other-language counterpart. - Cyrus XIII 19:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm the author, and Cyrus said referencing the Wikipedia, Japan, article was insufficient. I'm now looking for Japanese references which meet the requirements. Pkeets 20:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_visual_kei_bands/ It appears there's something like a project going on that lists profiles of these bands, all with minimal references. Are all these to be deleted, or should we add to the list? Pkeets 19:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


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