Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aligned water theory

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was redirect. ugen 64 21:05, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Aligned water theory
ALigned + water + theory on google gets no hits, hoax, delete--nixie 05:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect Not a hoax but pseudo-science. This is the "theory" that water molecules can be aligned resulting in all sorts of magical things like homeopathy being possible. In this case, the article's author claims that Meridian_(TCM) are circuits of "Aligned water" that flow in the body. Redirect to Homeopathy. Klonimus 07:52, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I was about to agree, but got stuck trying to decide if it should redirect to Homeopathy or Meridian_(TCM). This article is more than a directionary definition, has a fair level of detail, and mentions a source but unfortunately does not cite it. On the whole I think it should be a redirect and merge with Meridian_(TCM). Oddly, a search on "aligned water" meridian yields only one hit and one on "aligned water" homeopathy yields none, making me wonder whether this theory has some other name. If it is invoked in contexts outside traditional Chinese medicine, I'd be incline to say keep, if the reference to Shui-Yin Lo is properly sourced. It needs some NPOV-tweaking. I think it's already fairly clear that the theory is not accepted by mainstream Western science or medicine, but this could be clearer. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:30, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that there is some other more "scientific" name for the thoery the underlies homeopathy. Perhaps a small article could be writen that explains the alleged theory that liquid water molecules can be aligned to form super structures, and that this theory undlies homeopathy, and is a proposed mechanism for the existance and actions of Meridian_(TCM). "aligned water medicine" scores 0.95 megagoogles. With links to such gems as Klonimus 19:48, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * "Primordial M-Water™ is a Perfect Living Water concentrate that is imbued with super coherent life supporting primordial vibration and energy as well as super coherent molecular clustering. With Primordial M-Water™ there is an integration of advanced scientific theory and profound functional health benefits that go beyond limited medical mechanisms."
 * I only get 178 Google hits on the phrase "aligned water" and most are irrelevant. I only get 16 on "aligned water" medicine. What search exactly are you using? Dpbsmith (talk) 12:47, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The Shui-Yin Lo citation may refer to this: . Brona 01:38, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Uh...primordial vibration? Booyah!  I wanna take a bath in the stuff!!  Oh, and delete as tinfoil hattery unless the term can be better supported. - Lucky 6.9 04:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Uh, read the article. It's pseudoscience, but it does not say anything about primordial vibrations. That's Klonimus making a worthwhile effort to try to put it into pseudoscientific context.
 * The question to my mind is whether "aligned water theory" is a term in real use. I don't think it is and accordingly I'm voting for deletion. By the way, I don't think the concept is automatically utter bosh, as water molecules are very high polar and I'm sure I learned in chemistry class decades ago that they do cluster in some way, perhaps like "magnetic domains" in magnetic material. Water is not normally considered to be a "liquid crystal" but it may exhibit some kind of crystalline-like behavior. It's a looooooonnnnnng way from there to any explanation for acupuncture, but it's much more convincing pseudoscience than "primordial vibrations" are.
 * By the way... there's a 1950s story by Jack Finney, called, IIRC, "Such Interesting Neighbors." The narrator talks about his neighbors who the reader quickly recognizes as time-travellers from the future. He makes a living out of amazing "inventions." One that still sends a chill down my spine is one that he demonstrates to the narrator. It looks like a flashlight, but it measures distance. He pushes a button on it and a beam of light, in Finney's words "a special kind of light" comes out, and it reads off the distance in feet and inches. When asked how it works, the neighbor replies "On flashlight batteries." What gives me the creeps is that at the time I read it, I said to myself "A special kind of light? What nonsense!" I ask you, if someone had tried to describe lasers and coherent illumination light to you in the 1950s, wouldn't you have thought it was nonsense or pseudoscience? Dpbsmith (talk) 12:42, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. The question to my mind is whether the phrase "aligned water theory" is a recognized term in the acupuncture and/or homeopathy community, and I don't think it is. I have merged the relevant material into Meridian_(TCM) and added a comment on the Talk page that preserves history for GFDL purposes, allowing this article to be deleted without violating GFDL. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) Changed vote, see below
 * I was only kidding about the bath part. Really. :) - Lucky 6.9 22:03, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Remember polywater? Whatever happened to polywater? (show preview... no redlink... click click) Ah, we have a very good article on it. Somebody should try re-running those cold fusion experiments using polywater!Dpbsmith (talk) 12:50, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to water memory, if this is the theory behind homeopathy and not a different branch of pseudoscience. Reading the article, it's kind of hard to tell. Shimmin 17:21, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, "water memory" is what I was trying to uh, remember. Works for me. Accordingly:
 * Redirect to water memory, add a brief mention there that a similar theory has been advanced to explain Meridian_(TCM), making sure to link to that article. Only a mention is needed as I have merged the current contents of Aligned water theory with Meridian_(TCM). Dpbsmith (talk) 19:48, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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