Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alina Khan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Source analysis, article improvement and subsequent changes in !votes shows a consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn (talk) 10:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Alina Khan

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Non-notable actress, fails to meet WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG. The references are not discussing the actress but the only film Joyland (That too when the Pakistani government banned the film otherwise nothing) and the red carpet appearance at film festive. Her only notable work is Joyland as in the lead role, that's why she clearly doesn't meet WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 07:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Actors and filmmakers, Artists, Women,  and Pakistan. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 07:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Well-known Notable actress, totally meet WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG, The references are clearly indicting her news source and her career graph not only in joyland, she have appeared in a earlier film Darling and gained numerous awards and recognition in order to make her community and country proud, please stop using the transphobia here on wikipedia and let the article stay as it is mandatory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmpwork (talk • contribs) 20:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Notable actress the article meet the criteria with wikipedia as it have all the source links and falls down under notable trans actress — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmpwork (talk • contribs) 09:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Opposed Article has enough content and coverage to keep it on wikipedia. 111.119.188.13 (talk) 07:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

M.Ashraf333, Alina Khan is one of the very few actresses who has been reported by the top Newspapers of the world like LA Times, Express Tribune and many others. Hollywood Reporter, The Variety, are some of the leading industry reporters who have major articles. 2 films vs 1000 films is not a criteria. There are tons of articles for going to the top film festivals that none other notable actors of 1000 movies have acheived in Pakistan. Would suggest you do a little research. Salut65 (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Notable actress the article meet the criteria with wikipedia and Alina Khan is very notable and has done two films with more projects as per her interviews. Article has enough content and coverage to keep it on wikipedia. Salut65 (talk) 11:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Salut65, Alina Khan is very notable and has done two films, being an actress she should have significant roles in multiple notable films not only films. She just appeared in Joyland in a lead role. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 13:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Opposed M.Ashraf333 that one film have taken her country to Cannes film festival for the first time in the history from the pakistan, (A highly notable fest on films) Toronto film festival (another big fest) and also now she is selected under oscars, please make your facts clear on a notable actress. the films and artist articles you have created haven’t been to any places so far in their entire life, go and read all the sources generated on google. close this deletion chapter asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmpwork (talk • contribs) 14:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rmpwork, the subject is actress instead of film, and Joyland doesn't make her notable actress. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Ashraf333, probably according to you it doesn’t but it does she have banged an award at cannes for her performance, and if you don’t consider her a notable doesn’t mean her article shouldn’t be on wikipedia. i fail to understand your negativity and criticism on a trans actress getting a good name in the history of Pakistani media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmpwork (talk • contribs) 16:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Salut65، There will absolutely be articles written about her, and if there is one, mention it. If you look at WP:ENTERTAINER, and WP:GNG, the criteria is pretty obvious, and of course Joyland won't make her notable, even after winning Oscar. Furthermore, notable is not a substitute for famous. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Funcrunch i’m not repeating my case or trying to act in a more smart way, its my responsibility being a trans to let people aware the basic rights and appreciation towards notable trans personalities. if you are a proud trans you should also make this habit of being vocal on fare treatment towards trans artists who are getting good recognition globally with due respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmpwork (talk • contribs) 21:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Please keep the discussion on-topic and ensure arguments are grounded in Wikipedia policy. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:15, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:BASIC - sources appear to be focused on her and her acting career over time, and combined sources have significant independent and secondary content that support her notability and can help further develop the article, e.g. Pakistan’s short ‘Darling’ wins big at Venice Film Festival (Arab News, Sept. 2019), Short film Darling is a landmark moment for queer cinema in Pakistan (Dawn, Mar. 2020), Joyland: Taboo-tackling Pakistani film makes history at Cannes (Al Jazeera, May 2022), ‘Joyland’: Film Review | Cannes 2022 (Hollywood Reporter, May 2022), Cannes Review: Saim Sadiq’s ‘Joyland’ (Deadline May 2022), I Was Determined to Show My Family I Could Be Someone: ‘Joyland’ Star Alina Khan (Rolling Stone India May 2022), Joyland’s Alina Khan on winning at Cannes Film Festival as a trans Pakistani actor (Vogue India June 2022), Meet Negha S and Alina Khan, two trans actors, from India and Pakistan, who are changing the narrative (The Indian Express, Aug. 2022), ‘It’s not against Islam’: Pakistani trans actor tells of deep sadness over film ban (The Guardian, Nov. 2022). Beccaynr (talk) 05:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Beccaynr (talk) 05:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:SIGCOV and therefor WP:BASIC. UtherSRG (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Updating my !vote to Keep per discussion with below. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep:Clearly goes to WP:BASIC Please close AfD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmpwork (talk • contribs) 19:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, you've already made your views clear. !voting on this AfD multiple times is not going to help your case. (I'm trans myself, for the record.) Funcrunch (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We need reliable sources covering the person, there is no appreciation needed. Article should be able to stand using proper sourcing alone. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We have sources about her listed in my comment above, although there is no requirement that sources about her be about more than her career, which includes work described as 'landmark' and 'historic'. This article can stand with available sourcing. Beccaynr (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NACTOR. These refs above are for the film, not the actor. This actor has no career to speak ig and done nothing to generate any kind of established coverage. Seems to be a lot here who are confusing the film and the actor.    scope_creep Talk  14:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Coverage is interviews or about the films she's in. Nothing notable about the actor, films might be notable. Oaktree b (talk) 14:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have been working to clean up and expand the article based on available sources, and after reviewing WP:NFILM, including WP:NFO#4, which includes the Venice Film Festival award for Darling, as well as a source describing Darling as a unique accomplishment in cinema, WP:ACTOR notability for her work in two notable films appears supported, and there are sources that also help develop further biographical information. It appears that at least one critical review source has woven her 'interview' with an assessment of Darling, which is also further secondary commentary on her and her work. Khan appears to be a subject whose personal and professional notability are connected by a variety of independent and reliable sources. Beccaynr (talk) 18:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hrm. This is a persuasive argument. WP:NACTOR#1 states Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions (bold mine). Both of the films she was in are notable, and "lead role" is by definition significant. However, is 2 enough for multiple? I would have expected the policy to state "more than one" or "two or more". "Multiple" is more nebulous. I may have to weaken or reverse my !vote - UtherSRG (talk) 20:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think "multiple" tends to be interpreted as 'more than one', but I also think there is a boost to her notability per the WP:BASIC criteria based on the coverage she has received as an individual. I am still working on the article to help make this more clear. Beccaynr (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As I finished up work on the article, I also found the Guardian notes she is the first transgender person to star in a major Pakistani film, so per WP:NACTOR#2, in the context of other sources directly about her e.g. 'changing the narrative' (The Indian Express), and her previous work in "a landmark moment for queer cinema in Pakistan" (Dawn), there appears to be notability support for making unique [...] or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Beccaynr (talk) 14:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm swayed be the arguments above. It's not a slam dunk, but just enough for ACTOR. Weak keep Oaktree b (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep That she is the first transgender person to have a major role in Pakistani film is definitely notable.-TenorTwelve (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.