Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alina Li


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The result was   delete. Drmies (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Alina Li

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This is another instance where it really pains me to bring an article to AfD (because Alina Li is one of my favorite new performers), but...I made a mistake deprodding this because I thought I found some Fanny Award wins for her, but then I realized that those were only nominations. I couldn't find anything else, so she thus (unfortunately) fails WP:PORNBIO.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 05:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment. She has coverage in AVN and XBIZ, but I'm not sure if this is enough to pass the WP:GNG. Rumor has it she quit porn. Her FreeOnes page lists her Career Status as Retired (Quick Bio Info section on the right). She is also not listed on Spiegler Girls (her agency) anymore. If she quit the business for good, then there will be no more coverage of her in the future and we wouldn't have much to write an article on since her career was so brief. In my personal opinion though, she will probably be back. She is the biggest newcomer in the adult industry this year and will likely be nominated for every Best New Starlet award. I honestly think she has a possibility of winning too if she does return on-time. It's not like this hasn't happened before. Rebecca1990 (talk) 07:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to userfication then. (SN: I'm not sure FreeOnes is a reliable source.)  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 08:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As I said, her retirement is just a rumor, but I'm pretty convinced that it's true. The Rob Black Show is certainly not a reliable source and the reliability of FreeOnes is probably as controversial as the reliability of IAFD or IMDB. But we do know for sure that she is no longer available for bookings on Spiegler Girls and her Twitter was deleted. I was one of her followers and I remember her final tweet being an announcement about her selling all of her porn star wardrobe. Rebecca1990 (talk) 10:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If waht Rebecca1990 said about her tweeter is true,i suggest it is better to delete the page.If Alina li quit,it proves Alina li wants to forget her past in the adult film industry.After all,most Chinese people still think sex is a private thing,what she did may be viewed as a disgrace to the country and Chinese people.Also most of porn actresses came to a pityful ending.I wish her the best.竖琴老人(talk) 00:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, Rebecca, I put the reliability of FreeOnes right up there with Boobpedia (which is one of the most badly written wikis I have ever seen, btw). But maybe that's just me. And, if she indeed retired, that alone isn't a reason for an article to be deleted; plenty of retired porn (as well as mainstream) actors have articles on here.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 21:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment. I have rewritten the entire article. I have placed additional sources in the "External links" section (hidden from readers; can only be viewed by editing) so other users can expand the article. I'm honestly just too lazy to read those interviews right now, but I might do it later. Rebecca1990 (talk) 06:16, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per the logical of my original PROD. Still fails PORNBIO, still no independent reliable sourcing, only significant source added is the standard kayfabe promotional interview of no determinable reliability. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, AVN and XBIZ are both reliable sources. There are two reliable sources in the article, not just one, one from AVN and one from XBIZ. Both of those sources are independent of the subject. Those interviews aren't "kayfabe" or "promotional". I'm pretty sure Alina Li did not contact AVN and XBIZ and say "Please do an interview on me. I'm new to the industry and I need some exposure." If it worked that way everybody in the industry would do it and AVN and XBIZ would be mostly interviews. There are actually very few interviews in AVN and XBIZ. Interviews actually take place when an editor from either magazine chooses to write and article on someone in the industry. What's promotional about that? If this was a mainstream website and a mainstream actor, no one would make this argument, not even you. Why is it so difficult in our society for people in the sex industry to be taken seriously? AVN and XBIZ are real, reliable news sources with qualified journalists. I'm tired of you dismissing them. Porn is a legal, legitimate business with legitimate news reporters and legitimate award ceremonies, just like in the mainstream film or music industries. Rebecca1990 (talk) 01:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. She fails WP:PORNBIO by a strict interpretation, but I think there is an argument to be made that the exceptionally large amount that has been written about her by porn industry sources such as AVN and XBIZ makes her a special case. --Sammy1339 (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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