Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All-American Basketball Alliance (2010) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (t) (c) 02:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

All-American Basketball Alliance (2010)
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WP:NOT, WP:EFFECT, WP:PERSISTENCE: this is simply not encyclopedic. Wikipedia aspires to be more than just the repository of every single thing that had two or more news stories about it. This is a "sports league" that did not exist beyond a non-notable wrestling promoter's press release. Yes, the press release, proposing an all-white league, successfully trolled a lot of people, and so got a lot of "Hey, isn't this wacky?" news coverage, including a Daily Show interview, but there's no evidence that a single dollar was spent in setting this non-existent (and illegal) league up. They didn't even spring $9.95 to get a domain name and website. Has no chance of becoming a featured article. THF (talk) 19:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that "Has no chance of becoming a featured article" was a valid reason to delete. The only question that needs to be asked: Did this idea receive significant coverage in reliable sources? The answer is yes. Keep. --William S. Saturn (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not "the only question that needs to be asked." A burst or spike of news reports does not automatically make an incident notable. Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article. THF (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And what do you think "significant coverage" entails? Look it up, there was some coverage in August and September.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Where? THF (talk) 21:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * See and also see this article from a Brazilian magazine, this book and this book, all of which were published after the extensive media coverage in January and February 2010.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Google says Link 1 is from September 12, but if you click through, it's a non-RS messageboard from January.
 * The first book is self-published (Xlibris) and misspells "its": not a reliable source. (And its thesis is that the AABA was a hoax and no one should have paid attention to the press release.)
 * The second book isn't a book, it's a reprint of Wikipedia articles.
 * So your argument is that it meets WP:PERSISTENCE is a one-paragraph blurb in a Brazilian porn magazine. You've proved my point.  THF (talk) 22:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not a "porn magazine". Please retract that statement. I hope you're not so uncouth as to describe a different culture as "porn". Regardless, there were multiple articles from September and August, please read them as well.  Additionally, the article itself should be a reflection of the concept and idea of an all-white league, which has been addressed for years.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "Has no chance of becoming a featured article." Please don't use this as part of a deletion rationale again. Milt Bolling and a million other articles are never going to be a featured article, but that gives us no reason to delete it. I'm neutral on this deletion, but that last sentence was a big facepalm. Vodello (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Move to Don "Moose" Lewis. Basically, this league has no potential of ever coming into existence, as its entire concept would violate the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It only existed as an announcement, not something that could ever possibly take effect. However, the league can be covered in an article about its promoter, who may well get media coverage for other stupid ideas in the future. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Move to Don "Moose" Lewis, as per Metropolitan90. This "league" consists of nothing more than a press release and some inflammatory interviews, and is the moral equivalent of WP:BLP1E.   Ravenswing  21:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. This has already received a large amount of coverage beyond the NOTNEWS requirement of routine news reporting. If we regard this as a topic in its own right, it's notable under WP:GNG. If we regard it as an event, it appears to have already had quite a bit of impact on ongoing coverage, so it would meet WP:EVENT as well. Moving to a biography article is a bad idea; Lewis is only notable for one thing, so it would be the exact opposite of what WP:BIO1E specifies. Alzarian16 (talk) 17:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - NOT#NEWS. Never got off the ground, probably only a publicity stunt, no need for us to have an article. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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