Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All-time BYU Cougars men's soccer roster


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

All-time BYU Cougars men's soccer roster

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Roster for amateur sports team. Wikipedia isn't a storage space for a block of non notable info. Delusion23 (talk) 01:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 01:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd advise people to read Talk:All-time BYU Cougars men's soccer roster, which explains why the PROD was contested. GiantSnowman 01:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - List of non-notable persons. WP:LISTPEOPLE says that only persons who meet the requirement for their own article should be on such lists and as none of them have own articles then the page is redundant. Suggest the section in BYU Cougars men's soccer that list notable players and ex-players is used and when that gets two big (20+) then split off. Mtking (talk) 01:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - This list, and lists like it, are vitally important to editors who work on minor-league American soccer articles. The USL does not keep a searchable historical record of players who have played for PDL teams, which means that complete career histories for players that played in the PDL prior to them playing in MLS (or another professional league) are almost impossible to keep track of. Having a record of these players via these roster lists allows editors to keep track of the player's minor-league career via the "what links here" function, when articles are created for the players in question. Deleting this list would rob US football editors of the only - and I genuinely mean ONLY - way of tracking these players early careers, resulting in incomplete stats boxes, incomplete career histrories, and less complete biographies. JonBroxton (talk) 02:22, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - If USL does not keep a searchable historical record of players maybe that is an indication that even the governing body does not deem that notable, this is a case of WP:ITSUSEFUL and is on the list of arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Mtking (talk) 02:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it just means that the USL website is crap and I have to do the work for them. It's not just WP:ITSUSEFUL, it is WP:THISISVITALLYIMPORTANT, because I cannot write correct articles on American minor league soccer players without them. JonBroxton (talk) 02:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Have a read of What Wikipedia is not, as what you are saying is you need to host this data on Wikipedia that is not located any ware else. That looks like you are using Wikipedia as a host for "Primary (original) research" and / or "webspace provider" Mtking (talk) 02:36, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware of that. I read it before I even started these lists in an attempt to avoid discussions like these. It's not a case of using Wikipedia is a host for primary research or webspace provider. This information is available on the web - as the links to the stats archives show - it's just not SEARCHABLE on the USL site, which makes the interface worse than useless to use. This list simply brings all that information together into a central place, which makes it much more useful for anyone needing to find the data. Seriously, if you delete this, you'll be deleting a really important tool for US soccer editors, leaving us with no other alternative way of finding the information we need. JonBroxton (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How about putting it in userspace, then? Or perhaps under the aegis of the appropriate Project for this topic, if that's possible? Is there any policy about where to put supporting data - stuff that WP editors need, but isn't itself WP material? Eco-Mono (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, why not put this information into a userspace that can be accessed by editors who need the info to write articles and at the same time remove non notable information from the actual encyclopedia? It'd be the same as making a useful template or even a page like this: Unusual Articles. Delusion23 (talk) 10:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Providing that all the redlinks continue to work, I'd be fine with that compromise. JonBroxton (talk) 18:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Userfy to User:JonBroxton/BYU, where it can be kept as a resource and continue to be worked on, ready to be moved back into mainspace at a future date. GiantSnowman 19:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Already done at User:JonBroxton/All-time BYU Cougars men's soccer roster JonBroxton (talk) 19:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete - the issue has been resolved, the page has been userfied. Delusion23 (talk) 08:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Issue resolved. Argyle 4 Life  talk  17:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.