Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All-time English Football League 1st Division Table


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The result was   Procedural close. Closing this discussion as all the relevant articles have been deleted as CSD G7 Big  Dom  09:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

All-time English Football League 1st Division Table

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PROD contested by article creator. Collecting data and compiling it into a new format violates WP:OR, WP:NOTSTATS, and to a lesser extent WP:LISTCRUFT. GiantSnowman 21:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC) Delete Fails on all counts mentioned, and they're not even meaningful stats. Article(s) do not in any way explain why these stats are notable either. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 21:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Question - if you follow that particular line of logic, are you therefore going to call for the deletion of all 'All-Time' pages? Could you also please advise what sort of statistic would be classed as 'meaningful'? And calling the Conference, Southern League, Northern Premier League and Isthmian League 'random' is somewhat disengenuous, escpeially when two of the competitions have existed for over 100 years and one of them (the Southern) effectively created an entire Division of the Football League Geordiewomble 21:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC).
 * If community consensus holds that these kinds of pages are non-notable (which, going from a recent discussion at WT:FOOTY), then yes, it is logical to delete them all. GiantSnowman 21:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Firstly, I'd say yes, 'all-time' pages (erroneously named) should be deleted. Meaningful statistics in football terms are season tables, match results, player appearances, things like that. Nobody is calling into doubt the validity or notability of these leagues. What is meaningless is the creation of tables with no level playing field, i.e. these clubs have not participated with the same frequency, or against the same opponents, so the stats are woefully skewed. What information can be drawn from these tables? Why are they notable? Which reliable sources use them? Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

That would be a shame - are you going to push for ALL 'All-Time' tables to be likewise deleted? Just so I know to stop work on my League of Ireland pages.... Geordiewomble 21:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geordiewomble (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, I would advise you to cease work on these kinds of articles until their worth has been judged here, either way. GiantSnowman 21:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete along with All-time English Conference League Table, All-time English Conference National Division Table, All-time English Conference North/South Division Table, All-time Isthmian League 3rd Division Table, All-time Isthmian League Table, All-time Northern Premier League Premier Division Table, All-time Northern Premier League 1st Division Table, All-time Southern League Table, All-time Southern League Premier Division Table, All-time Southern League 1st Division Table, All-time Isthmian League Table, All-time Isthmian League 1st Division Table, All-time Isthmian League 2nd Division Table as original research.  Number   5  7  21:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Plus All-time English Football League 2nd Division Table, All-time English Football League 3rd Division Table, All-time English Football League 4th Division Table. These must have slipped under the radar when originally created as they don't seem to have many incoming links. Number   5  7  21:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking at Category:All-time football league tables, I'd say 95% of the constituent articles need to be looked at. GiantSnowman 21:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia discourages the use of a all time table based on content coined from WP, it is OR, such type of info needs external source. Eduemoni↑talk↓  01:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

If that is the will, so be it - give me 10 minutes, they'll be gone. Just to confirm, you'd be looking to delete ALL 'all-time' lists? Would that then extend to non-Football, indeed non-Sport lists? I'm asking this as a positive enquiry, not a criticism Geordiewomble 08:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geordiewomble (talk • contribs) Will this be deleted too ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_FA_Premier_League_table — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.11.232 (talk) 12:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete This is definitely OR and has no place here. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If this article is deleted then all related articles should go. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

All my pages have been cleared! Now, to go back to my first love - buses; are there any other Counties I can create Route Lists for? Geordiewomble 21:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geordiewomble (talk • contribs)
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