Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All That Heaven Will Allow


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Tunnel of Love (album). Vanamonde (Talk) 17:50, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

All That Heaven Will Allow

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Spectacularly uninformative article that only comes vaguely close to passing WP:NSONG in one aspect, a minor charting position on Billboard's Hot Country Songs. I'm familiar with the song, originally a Bruce Springsteen album track, but there doesn't seem to be any possibility of expanding the article beyond its current pitiful state – the Rolling Stone reference is one of those list articles that amounts to all of three lines about the song, telling us it's about a couple's relationship (wow, profound), and I can't find anything at all about the Mavericks' version beyond their unremarkable chart position. A search hasn't turned up any other reliable sources on either version, so if this is all there is to say about a combined two versions of the song, it's not worthy of an independent article. This has been redirected several times and an IP keeps reverting it, but as two notable artists have covered the song, it's questionable as to whether even a redirect is the right idea, given WP:XY. Richard3120 (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate Given that it is a Springsteen song and a "hit" for the Mavericks, someone searching for the song might be looking for one and not the other. So, if there is Disamb page, with the Springsteen song linked to his "Tunnel of Love" album and the Mavericks song linked to their "What a Crying Shame" album, I think this would solve the issue.  Deleting or redirecting doesn't seem to be the answer. Donaldd23 (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Neither album article mentions the song apart from in the track listings, so anyone looking for the song would find no details about the song in either case. Richard3120 (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Just offering another option as if it is deleted I am sure whoever keeps recreating it will do it again. Donaldd23 (talk) 23:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate: Per Donaldd23, as a valid WP:ATD. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 10:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Tunnel of Love (album). Disambiguation isn't necessary because there's only one song with this title. However, All That Heaven Will Allow (The Mavericks song) can be created and redirected to What a Crying Shame with the R from cover song template applied. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. As it stands now there is nothing lost by redirecting, but there are plenty of sources to create a reasonable article on this song when someone is inclined to. Rlendog (talk) 20:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There are? They must be in books then, because I can't find anything online. Richard3120 (talk) 20:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. There are several books that provide non-trivial coverage of this song (and none of the books I am referring to overlap the examples ASTIG found on Google Books). Rlendog (talk) 17:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Tunnel of Love (album): Changed my vote, per reasons above. Barely found anything about the song online, but it has found some coverage in books, notably, , , and . Since it's not notable enough to have a standalone article, it's best to briefly discuss it in the album.  ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 00:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Tunnel of Love (album). There are different possibilities here -- redirecting to the Springsteen album, redirecting to the Mavericks album, creating a new disambig page, or deleting altogether -- and none of them are perfect. To try to build a working consensus, I will throw in with the idea of redirecting to Springsteen's album. That's because he wrote the song and this gives his version priority in the event of lackluster coverage all around. The cover version by the Mavericks was indeed a minor hit single but that seems to have fallen into the hazy past with no significant media coverage. There's no coverage of Springsteen's version either, but it's his song so he is the more likely focus for someone who searches for the title. And finally, Tunnel of Love (album) can include a statement that this particular track was covered by the Mavericks. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: as nominator, I am quite happy if the consensus is redirect to the Tunnel of Love album. However, this is where it was redirected several times before, and the IP insisted on reverting each time, hence my reasons for bringing it to AfD to achieve a definitive consensus... I've just had to reinstate the AfD notice which they removed from the article with the message "leave it alone, please". Given that they are unlikely to let it rest if the article is redirected, I'd like to make the closing admin aware that salting may be necessary. Richard3120 (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , since unregistered users get in the way of editing the page, I suggest that it should be semi-protected indefinitely. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not standard procedure, but you can request protection against reversion of the redirect. I think the Admin who closes the AfD can do it. I requested and got this a few times for my own AfD nominations. I recommend the same for this one. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Tunnel of Love (album) and request protection from further overwriting. The refs described above can easily be used at the target. Jalen Folf   (talk)  18:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect and semiprotect the page per above. Sv72 (talk) 09:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC) — Sv72 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


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