Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allamah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus on deletion although I see agreement that the two terms aren't synonymous. This looks to be somewhat more than a dictionary definition so I am not inclined to delete on that basis. I will leave it to the community to redirect or merge as appropriate. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Allamah

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Reason Similar to existing article Ulama. It is just overlapping title Syed Rahmat Ullah Shah (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Allamah is not that similar to Ulama'. One is an honorific title and the other is a term for a class of people. However, I'm not sure what to do with this article. Although the title is mentioned is some encyclopedias like this one, it's hard to find coverage in RSs for it beyond a dictionary definition. Eperoton (talk) 01:27, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the ulama-allamah relation similar to king-majesty or priest-monsignor? In other words, are people that have the occupation ulama addressed to with allamah? If so, I would not mind merging/redirecting --HyperGaruda (talk) 04:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I can say yes. It is not exactly occupation. I will say that if a person is considered as well educated or knowledgeable on his subject preferably religious subject then he is titled as allamah.Syed Rahmat Ullah Shah (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I see only a handful of names associated with that title. Not sure if that's because it's very selective or just not very common. Eperoton (talk) 05:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * And by that I meant in books. It occurred to me that one often hears the combination "Allamah Dr." in the Arabic-language media. So, perhaps you are right in that can now be applied to any member of the Ulama as a personal mark of respect. In the absence of RSs on this point, I won't venture to say. Eperoton (talk) 13:04, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Alim is used for male, Alimah for female, but this use is in its singular form. It is title for respect to some scholar often used for religious scholars. It is upto the reader how to perceive it as a claas or as a title.Uluma or Ulama is same but its plural form. It also sounds good if it simply merge to the original page Ulama. Rahmatgee (talk) 12:18, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete per Wikipedia is not a dictionary. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Allameh means polymath in the context of Muslim society while Ulama is the plural form of Aalim. In addition, there are a lot of people who have been described by this title such as Allameh Muhammad Iqbal, Allameh Tabatabai, Allameh Helli, Allamah Mawdudi, etc.-- Seyyed(t-c) 02:47, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * While the article looks as a dictionary one, the issue, itself, is notable. When Polymath has an article, it is reasonable for Allamah as well. Please, reconsider your vote.-- Seyyed(t-c) 02:50, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist -- Dane 2007  talk 01:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDICT. It is plausible that the article could be expanded and sourced to rise above being a dictionary definition, but in its present form it is not helpful. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. and expand. The term is not the exact equivalent, and is more than a directory entry.  DGG ( talk ) 04:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Ulama. I agree the subjects are not identical, but there is overlap in the sense that both deal with those who have distinguished themselves in a scholarly way. I think that the content could be placed after Ulama and make sense. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  14:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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