Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allan J Hamilton, MD


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The result was   no consensus. Article is in need of a rewrite. Chick Bowen 02:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Allan J Hamilton, MD

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Non-notable and none asserted. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Blatant copyvio along with zero references. tj9991 (talk | contribs) 07:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I cannot actually decide on this article, on one hand, if you do a google scholar search for him then you will find he has written a bunch of papers that would convey a lot of notability. On the other hand that article is very likely to be a copyvio (even though google turned up no results for it). So I am going to asume good faith and not vote delete because I think its a copyvio and will just stick with neutral. —Atyndall &#91;citation needed&#93; 08:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability very strongly asserted, at least if one bothers to actually read the article, and see : " Fellow of the American College of Surgeons in 1994. In 1995, Dr. Hamilton was promoted to Chief of Neurosurgery and became the Chairman of the entire Department of Surgery" [at University of Arizona], Numerous publications are asserted also, though they need to be cited. Similarly, "Commanding Officer for US Army Mt. McKinley Medical Research Expedition " As multiple appearances on major national media are also specified, they can probably be found also. And the book listed is published by a major non-technical publisher .   As for copypaste, I think it so likely that I will rewrite the article to save the trouble of searching for where they took it. DGG (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Gaah, really needs cleanup for readability. Agree that notability is asserted and RS should be findable based on those assertions. Jclemens (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.   —David Eppstein (talk) 03:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I put some paragraph breaks in the article in an attempt to make it more readable. I agree that it has the appearance of a copyvio but neither Google nor Google books find a match. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but definitely agree on the copyright violation. A lot of cleanup seems to be called for on this article, possibly paring it down to a stub. RayAYang (talk) 04:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I tried to search Web of Science, but unfortuately it appears that there are several AJ Hamilton's. The publications that I think are from the subject of this article have a decent, but not stellar, citation record. One article on which he is third author out of 8 ("ENDOTOXIN-STIMULATED OPIOID PEPTIDE SECRETION - 2 SECRETORY POOLS AND FEEDBACK-CONTROL INVIVO") has been cited 157 times. His h-index is 15 and the total number of cites is only 634 (including those mentioned 157). Last publication was December 2005. On the other hand, I may have missed some articles by using the "author set" feature of WoS. DGG cites the fact that Hamilton is a "Fellow of the American College of Surgeons", but I am not sure that this is an honor that confers notability according to WP:ACADEMIC. As far as I can see from the article on these fellows, it just means that one has to be a good and ethical surgeon. While that is very commendable, it doesn't sound like notability to me. In all, I think I'll abstain. --Crusio (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * delete yet another doctor who served at yet another hospital in yet another leadership roll, does that make him notable?, i think not, we don't list all deans and directors of schools either. --Buridan (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (personally, I'd favor an change to strike out all afd comments including the words "just another". :) )In general full professors at major colleges are notable, and even those who are reluctant to accept it, agree that full professors in the UK sense, which = heads of department in the US ,at major universities qualify. He reached that position because of multiple peer reviews by his true peers--such appointments are not made lightly at a flagship university like Arizona. I'm not going to argue that we are more qualified to judge than they. the profession estalishes the notability, we merely record it. DGG (talk) 09:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, the profession establishes the level of competence or achievement in the field. That is distinct from notability. 152.3.245.45 (talk) 13:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


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