Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allan Van Darc


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The result was delete. English Wikipedia does not need to follow the lead of French Wikipedia, even for French subjects, and a person's notability in accordance with English Wikipedia guidelines is independent of their country or language, but the consensus here is to delete. Rlendog (talk) 18:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Allan Van Darc

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Lack of notoriety. Self-promotion. Xxxxx (talk) 11:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment only: The article looks like a manager's tearsheet, but if all those credits are valid, then he's going to have a huge French language profile. Someone should check him out at .fr. Hithladaeus (talk) 18:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * . I am french and i read french. this guy is just a noboby, like a total D list in french télévision. He never had his own show, it's absolutely impossible to know il all thèse crédits are valid because there is no proofs about and all the references in the article are Mostly from cheap blogs (like Morandini). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.239.73.7 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 13 June 2015‎ (UTC)
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 * Delete - I'm not a fluent French speaker but both from my results and the French speaker above, it's likely he's not notable and this article can't be improved significantly; he has no IMDb profile and my searches found the best results here and here (nothing at Books and Highbeam). SwisterTwister   talk  18:47, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * KeepI don't quite understand the vendetta here against this guy. I happen to be French and he's one of my favourite hosts. He IS quite well known as a presenter- albeit not the most famous. A single google search here (http://www.google.fr/search?q=ALLAN+VAN+DARC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=CVuFVdChDsXbU4rzgNAJ) will clear the matter as there are a number of references to his name from TV listings and several extracts from his TV shows. Another search in the "news" section (http://www.google.fr/search?q=ALLAN+VAN+DARC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=CVuFVdChDsXbU4rzgNAJ) also has plenty of recent articles with video proof of his current work. 82.234.176.100 (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - What a joke... Seriously, you must be Allan Van Darc. And your attempts to make your promotion on Wikipedia, like you do in french Wikipedia, is really problematic. 1/ No, Allan Van Darc is absolutely not famous. In any way. Ask to anyone in the streets in France : nobody knows this guy. 2/ Extracts from his TV shows or TV listings are not valid sources. You put these extracts on the internet, through your youtube channel, to promote yourself. And like the others things, these are only primary sources.--Xxxxx (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As the nominator, I don't think you are also meant to !vote. Maybe you got confused with the French deletion discussion where you are not the nominator. Don't worry though. I'll very happily replace your "delete" with of my own. ;-) --DanielRigal (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks !--Xxxxx (talk) 23:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * indeed : Comment made by nominator, so should be disregarded and deleted.


 * Strong Delete. French Wikipedia has something equivalent to an AfD on their article too: . I don't read French but Google Translate makes it quite clear that the French speaking people there with full access to French media do not think that he is notable. The only keep !vote so far is from the author of the French article. So that brings us to the claim that he is also famous in the UK. Well, I am in the UK. Admittedly, I don't pay much attention to D list celebs but maybe my "I never heard of him" counts for something. OK, maybe not? So lets see what else we have? The article says "Whilst living in London, he wrote and recorded a comedy song in reference to Australian popstar Kylie Minogue under the name Van d'Arc. This novelty record earned him a tremendous amount of publicity in the UK, Australia and Germany." (emphasis mine). That means that either we see "tremendous" English language coverage for him under the name "Van d'Arc" or the claim is flat out spurious. Google News says spurious. How about "Ode To The Bottom"? Well, that is referenced to a YouTube video with only 2,643 views and no comments even from outraged Kylie fans. The video does not seem to identify what channel it was broadcast on (I didn't watch all of it). Google News suggests that it made an almost imperceptible media splash. So what do we have here? An article that makes demonstrably spurious claims of notability, made by single purpose accounts on both the English and French Wikipedias. While we can't rule out the possibility that he has a small fanbase, and that these articles emanate from that, it seems more likely that this is self-publicity or publicity from somebody connected to him. I wasn't aware that spam held such a place in French cuisine. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * 1. The french AfD notice was initiated by user Xxxxx under unlogged IP address, minutes prior to putting this one up. This contributor didn't appreciate that his modifications on this original article (which was created years ago with no problem whatsoever) were cancelled, and decided to organize a wiki campaign against this article.
 * 2. You claim to have searched "google news" to find trace of a 2003 event ? Please be informed that google news only indexes recent events, and that in 2003 (12 years ago) things weren't thoroughly referenced as they are today, as google and other search engines were only in their infancy. The novelty song in reference was the subject of numerous TV appearances, two of them are online, one of them hosted by no less than TERRY WOGAN on Channel 5. TERRY WOGAN interview Allan Van Darc Had you bothered to watch the interview, you would have quickly realized that a number of references are made to the "tremendous" coverage received by the song at the time.
 * 3. As for the "imperceptible splash", please note than no later than 2 months ago, a video feature about Van Darc's meeting with Minogue went viral and found its place on respected international websites such as Hufftington Post
 * HUFFTINGTON POST Kylie Minogue meets Van D'Arc
 * 4. Away from that novelty nonsense, Van Darc has actually hosted of over 1000 TV programmes on French national free-to-air channels. The very official website for INA (National Institute of Audiovisual) which is similar to the BBC archives has no less than 1052 entries referencing his name.
 * VAN DARC search on INA database Granted, he might not be an outright household name, but certainly deserves a bit more credit/consideration than what can be read on here. His current daily TV endeavours for French channel Non Stop People and respected 24H news channel LCI can be found http://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/rolandgarros-2015--les-stars-aussi-ont-leur-tournoi-exclu-vido-557073.html and here LCI Allan Van Darc et Kylie Minogue
 * --92.90.182.139 (talk) 11:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Google News does indeed prioritise recent events but it also has an "archive" option that shows stuff going back far further than maybe you think. I have used that to research news far in the past. This fails to show the coverage claimed, You can't blame Google for not giving the result you would like. Sources like YouTube are not reliable references and the Huffington Post will publish pretty much anything (which is not a criticism, just an indication that not everything they publish is notable). Terry Wogan has interviewed many thousands of people in his long career and not all of them are notable either. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Note: The French article has now been deleted. That does not mean that we definitely have to do the same but I would take it as a strong indication. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable in French-speaking countries, even less notable in English speaking countries. Fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


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